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Friday, March 17, 2017

Decline and fall

In a single family. A Virginian inadvertently chronicles American genetic decline:
My people are pure Cavalier stock of the Virginia Tidewater. I am Frederick Venable Reed Jr, my mother’s maiden name being Betty Venable Rivers–a cousin marriage, which some will suggest explains a lot. The Venables were prominent in the gentility of Southside Virginia.

Why is this of interest, if indeed it is? There are reasonable people today who believe that traits such as politics, way of life, occupation, talents, and intellectual bent are genetically determined. Some time ago I found an interesting study showing that families–those studied were English–maintained distinguishable traits for many generations, suggesting that these were innate. For a generation or two similarities might be explained by children copying their parents. Over many generations, it would appear otherwise.

I wondered whether this would hold for my own family. It seems so. The first mention of Venables was of Walter de Veneur at the Battle of the Ford in 960. He did nothing astonishing, but I think that just being mentioned by name would suggest membership in something similar to the upper middle class. The name is baronial, from the town of Venables, near Evreux, in Normandy. In France, it morphed into various Latin and French forms such as le Venour, or Venator, or Venereux, becoming, after the clan came to England with William of Orange, Venables-Vernon. (Spelling was not an advanced science in those days.) These never sank into the lower classes nor rose to produce dukes or earls, but several barons, members of Parliament and such. Upper middle class. Honorable mention. Respectable, but not important.

Richard Venables is recorded as having purchased land in Virginia in 1635. The Venables became a distinguished family, of the ruling class but without doing anything to get them into textbooks. They were in the House of Burgesses. In 1776 Nathaniel Venable founded Hampden-Sydney College, which provided schooling for many of Southside’s leaders.

The Cavalier society of Tidewater was perhaps the high point of American civilization. The people were extraordinarily literate, steeped in the thought of the Enlightenment, imbued with a profound and kindly Christianity. From them came the Washingtons, Jeffersons, Madisons, the Lees and Custises. It is hard to imagine any modern politician, or his ghost writer, writing either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution, the latter being the framework, enduring until perhaps 1960, of an entire nation. The Virginians did.
All that illustrious lineage, and now Fred is reduced to denying human biodiversity in defense of the members of La Raza Cosmica with whom he cohabitates. It rather reminds me of the women who are ferociously proud of their blue eyes and blonde hair raising their brown-eyed, black-haired children. They have proven themselves wholly unworthy of their heritage by virtue of failing to pass it on.

Fred writes: "The facial resemblance to the men in our line is strong. So is the character and cast of mind." When the former disappears, the latter usually will as well. As Le Chateau likes to say, physiognomy is real.

See, that's precisely the problem, Fred. They're not your children's people. You're the end of the line. Whatever comes after is not that pure Cavalier stock of the Virginia Tidewater of which you are so proud.

Indeed, if my experience is any guide, people will very likely tell your grandchildren that they have no connection whatsoever to the Cavaliers and they are lying if they claim they do.

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154 Comments:

Anonymous A Former Spartan March 17, 2017 11:06 AM  

For what it's worth, my understanding is that Fred's biological children are from an earlier marriage to a woman from essentiallt the same background. His daughter in Mexico is a step daughter. Again, for what it's worth.

Blogger Gaiseric March 17, 2017 11:14 AM  

@1 Whether that's true or not, Fred—who I used to really enjoy reading—has been descending for quite some time into ever more specious justifications for the rejection of hbd—because it's increasingly obvious that he's thrown his lot in with the indios rather than with the Americans.

Which, hey—it's not really much skin off my back if that's what you're doing, Fred, so know yerself out. But he should at least attempt to be honest about it.

Anonymous Avalanche March 17, 2017 11:19 AM  

@1 How jewish of him: reproduce with one of your own 'tribe' and then later on marry for fun!

All those jewish men getting their genes moved forward by their jewish wives (thus, contributing to their tribe's fortune and future), then chucking her and marrying some pretty shiksa for their personal pleasure.

Who knew old Fred had it in him!?

Blogger slarrow March 17, 2017 11:19 AM  

Fred needs to come back.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky March 17, 2017 11:23 AM  

The Cavaliers are long gone already. Even now the SJWs are moving to strike all references of Thomas Jefferson at UVA. They failed the last go round, but they're still hot for it and they'll be back. That this is even being entertained among the "polite society" of Charlottesville ought to tell you something: those people are gone. They are Fake Virginians.

But all is not lost. There's another Virginia, born from the Scottish highlanders, that's still alive and kicking. And we're still making moonshine deep in the woods and running from revenuers in souped-up muscle cars.

Anonymous Zed, Lord of the brutals March 17, 2017 11:25 AM  

Frederick gave up on America, so I gave up on Fred.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Hair March 17, 2017 11:31 AM  

"All that illustrious lineage, and now Fred is reduced to denying human biodiversity in defense of the members of La Raza Cosmica with whom he cohabitates. It rather reminds me of the women who are ferociously proud of their blue eyes and blonde hair raising their brown-eyed, black-haired children. They have proven themselves wholly unworthy of their heritage by virtue of failing to pass it on"

Exactly!!!!! I was going to point it out if you hadn't.

@1. As @2 said even if that is the case the man is supporting the other. The word for Border in Spanish is frontera which means frontier. That's right; they view it as the end of civilization, if the word is to be taken literally.

For my part, I'm glad I never married outside the race and put the dating outside the race to bed years ago. There's a book that details my paternal lineage from when they came from the old country back in the mid-19th century. I was able to track them down to the 16th century and find my family's crest which proudly sits on a flag. I'll be carrying on the next generation, hopefully soon enough.

OpenID paworldandtimes March 17, 2017 11:31 AM  

And we're still making moonshine deep in the woods and running from revenuers in souped-up muscle cars

"Well, my name's John Lee Pettimore..."

Another patrician family in decline: the Bushes.

PA

Blogger Wanda Sherratt March 17, 2017 11:32 AM  

I think he meant to say that his family came to England with William the Conqueror, in 1066. William of Orange didn't get there until 1688, by which time Fred's family were already colonizing America.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Hair March 17, 2017 11:33 AM  

You have pretty women (if you're referring to WV),

Anonymous Teapartydoc March 17, 2017 11:35 AM  

My take on Fred on Everything was that Fred took precedence over everything all the time, from the first moment my eyes fell on it. Why I never went back.

Blogger August March 17, 2017 11:36 AM  

I knew a Venable. Morbidly obese lesbian with some sort of mental illness. She had an above average level of intelligence, but it was being put to ill use.


Blogger Orville March 17, 2017 11:40 AM  

Tribal or familial pride seems to be a lost thing nowadays with the masses. Clearly Fred has some, but not enough to perpetuate the line. Vox, Roissy and others are reviving that mindset.

I won't snowflake for now, but can trace similar results across my family in England, the US and Australia. But I'll give one example where my grandfather dropped everything to go to another state to help his fairly distant cousin, a governor, facing a political battle. As a child I saw the commendation from that governor thanking him for his help hanging on a wall in his house. You just don't see that kind of familial pride or loyalty nowadays, but I expect it may return.

Anonymous Sam the Man March 17, 2017 11:43 AM  

Fred Reed's wife is from a Sephardic background, they are a wee bit different in attitude than the northern and eastern co-religionists. She likely has a lot less of the JAP characteristics. Of course your mileage may vary.

It is strange to see Fred Reed, who for 2 decades was one of the early writers who was pointing out the American decline go the other way now. Further he uses all sort of deceptive method to push his point, like in a recent column where he picks a high European content female to characterize the invaders. So deceptive on so many levels.

My guess, for what it is worth, was that his first divorce was pretty much a brutal, caused a rift with his kids that cannot ever be healed and left him adrift. So late in life finds a women who is kindly and nice, and he manages to make a home for himself in that family. Humans kind of need a place where they are loved and valued, facing harsh reality like a lone standing hero is something for younger men. He associates those nice feelings with his new home and people who accepted him. Very easy to understand. He is between 73 and 75 years old, legally blind and much like the late Reagan showed some poor judgment post presidency (such as going to Japan for a million dollars and supporting the Brady bill), also under the influence of his trusted wife, I give him a pass. I read his writings, chuckle when he pulls a boner and hope his remaining years are good to him.

Blogger Harris March 17, 2017 11:45 AM  

I have been working on my genealogy lately, and I've discovered something about the lack of mixing with other races in my own bloodline. So far, in the 400 years since my family settled in North America from England, there are only 4 non-Anglo women that have married into the family (out of over 4500 currently in the extended family tree) and the female descendants of those 4 women have NEVER married a non-anglo male. Those 4 women were 1 Irish woman, 1 German, 1 Cherokee woman, and 1 Swiss woman.

If you go back far enough, you can find some Scottish, but the amount is so diluted over generations it makes up less than 1/10th of a percent of my heritage. And if you go back even further, you get to the Norman invaders from northern France, but that may as well be counted as English since it is 1000 years back.

Both sides of my family are represented in the Mayflower Passengers (7 of the 102 passengers are family members, 5 Tilley family members, John Howland, & Edward Doty), plus other ships that arrived in Massachusetts in 1621, 1623, 1630, & 1635. Both sides of my family are also represented in the Jamestown settlement in Virginia, with the earliest on my mother's side arriving in 1610 as the newly appointed governor (Thomas West), and my father's side arriving in 1611 (Thomas Harris). Thomas Jefferson's maternal grandfather Isham Randolph is the brother of my direct ancestor Elizabeth Randolph Carter.

My point is that while nearly my entire family arrived in the first wave of settlers in Massachusetts & Virginia, there has been very little intermarrying with other Caucasian races, much less non-Caucasians. I've noticed that other races also tend to marry their own kind. Germans marry others of German descent. Nordics the same. So also Irish, Poles, Italians, etc.

Just in my own family, you see the myth of the melting pot disproved. This indicates that the bloodline ties are more than just cosmetic. There is something subconscious about seeking your own. How has the West lost sight of this truth?

There has to have been a determined and conscious effort to undermine the cultural homogeneity of our western societies, and this can be traced back to Darwinism, the progressive movement of the late 19th century, and the emergence of a communist philosophy that sought to undermine the Christian foundations of our various Caucasian civilizations. This was purposeful, and we large did this to ourselves.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 17, 2017 11:47 AM  

It's not so much that he has shacked up with a Mexican lady is that he was or still is a conservative and conservatives long ago shacked up with Lady Despair and her child Radical Despair.

Anonymous Clay March 17, 2017 11:50 AM  

I used to wonder if my daughter would marry a nice white guy.

Even though he has red hair, blue eyes,(Scottish origin), a big-time turkey hunter, he's a good guy.

I got a beautiful granddaughter out of that deal. So far.

Hope she can suck-up some of my German & Italian.

Blogger Harris March 17, 2017 11:50 AM  

While it is true that we need to purge our societies and reestablish various Caucasian cultures, it is not correct to blame this on other cultures, who merely seek their own survival and dominance. That is the way of the world. Getting mad about other cultures wanting to dominate us is as dumb as getting mad about the sky being blue. They will ALWAYS want to dominate us.

What we've lost is our own sense of self-worth, and our own instinctual desire to survive as distinct and valuable cultures. And when I say "we", I mean the leadership in the West. The people themselves are beginning to rise up to say NO! to this cultural suicide. But I have to wonder if we are too late, at least in some circumstances. When white women decided to stop having babies, it was the death knell of Western Culture. How do we convince them to become women again, instead of merely poor imitations of men?

Anonymous Eduardo March 17, 2017 11:52 AM  

Hehe, I remember some ten years ago discussing with myself that I wasn't racist in any way and stipulated that if I saw 5 white young guys coming at me in the street and five black guys Doing the same I would probably try my chances with the black group.

Had a mental picture, of very typical five young black guys coming to me and boom! No way I would take the chance with them. Where I was born white-skinned people such as me were 30% of the population so I met a lot of different people and got used to betting behavior on looks. Most deliquents in a city usually look like each other and even dress like each other and most criminals are young people, for instance crime here in São Paulo pretty much is 100% related to 15-25 yo range, the less there is the less crime. Now what is funny is that for some reason I was far more intimidated by black people, white people didn't bothered me so much, yeah there are some horrible whites, but young black people always, let alone in groups, always look more intimidating.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 17, 2017 11:54 AM  

I wondered if this was Fred tolling those who embrace HBD, but have since concluded that it's just his homage to the fact that without Nature's selective pruning of a any family tree, successive generations inevitably embarrass their ancestors.

I do worry that few of us would not embarrass our ancestors. Times have been too easy for far too long.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 17, 2017 11:57 AM  

Perhaps I may make a suggestion to you Christian conservatives, put an emphasis on good breeding. Darwinism and Evolution if having done anything pernicious is that is has reduced Christian conservatives down to the levels of Magic Dirt and the ethics of teenage girls, muh feels.

Anonymous TheShrike March 17, 2017 11:59 AM  

I live in the VA tidewater area. It's a wonderful place for a history buff. Virginia is probably the best state overall for Americans interested in history. Lot's of my (non-Italian) genetic stock is here as well. The demographics in the part I live are about as close as you will find to pre-1965 ratios.

However, a Muslim Afghani immigrant recently got a 16 year old girl pregnant in the town next to mine. He's married too. Town population = 350. You can't escape the degradation no matter where you live. Sad.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus March 17, 2017 11:59 AM  

@9 I think he meant to say that his family came to England with William the Conqueror, in 1066.

'Twould be consistent with the overall Norman French sound to the names.

Anonymous Clay March 17, 2017 12:01 PM  

BTW...have you ever been to New Orleans? Been around Lee's Circle?

It's quite close to their WWII museum.

I hear, they about to tear it down.....racist, ya know.

Anonymous Northern Observer March 17, 2017 12:04 PM  

"Indeed, if my experience is any guide, people will very likely tell your grandchildren that they have no connection whatsoever to the Cavaliers and they are lying if they claim they do."

That depends on who his kids breed with. Your native American bloodline was diluted and you were immersed in your family's dominant culture. To the point where members of your family didn't even realize just how native and/or Mexican you they were until you went for genetic testing.

If his descendants follow a similar pattern, many of his great grand kids might not even know that they have any brown people in their lineage.

It seems to be fairly common for people to claim to have native american, black or even arab in their family line. They usually aren't exactly sure of how far back, but about 4 generations seems to be pretty common. More than that and it gets lost to legend.

You do see it the other way as well. Black families who claim to have have had a white guy somewhere in their lineage; often a slave owner. (so far back that they don’t know for sure)

As always, it will come down to densities, rates and degrees. It's not impossible for immigrants to adapt and 'become' American. But the less similar they are, the more of them there are and the faster they come, the harder it will be for them to adapt. With tens of millions pouring in from the most dissimilar cultures, to join the tens of millions already here, it will be essentially impossible for the vast majority, and they will in fact force America to more and more like their places of origin.

That's the dividing line with the civic nationalists. They are willing to discuss degrees, rates and densities.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus March 17, 2017 12:07 PM  

I like to tell people that I'm of mixed-race background: White and German

Blogger Nick Siekierski March 17, 2017 12:08 PM  

So why feature him on Infogalactic News?

Anonymous kfg March 17, 2017 12:11 PM  

@7: " The word for Border in Spanish is frontera which means frontier. That's right; they view it as the end of civilization, if the word is to be taken literally."

Frontier literally means border. It is the colloquial American use of the word that is idiomatic. Front-ier; the front of.

In the old world when you pass a frontier you move from one civilization to another. During the time of American colonial expansion when you passed the frontier you moved into the wilderness.

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Blogger Nate March 17, 2017 12:15 PM  

i am reminded of the many southron plantation owners that went to brazil to start over after the war. There is a little town down there named for them because so many settled there. And it is somewhat different than brazil in general. but it is nothing... nothing at all... like the american south.

Blogger Durandel Almiras March 17, 2017 12:15 PM  

@VD and @20 dc.sunsets and @21 Mr.MantraMan

I'm certainly less than some of my near male ancestors. I have yet to read The Son Also Rises by Gregory Clark, but it does seem that if you want your family to improve, you need to convince the younger generations to marry well and to marry to good, successful, intelligent, hard working, faithful, loyal families.

I think much of the West's problems can also be attributed to our bad ideas and social changes in the last 100 years leading to very poor breeding habits at large.

I married outside of my ethnic group, but I plan to encourage my children to do the above and to seek all of that within my dominate ethnicity. No more "love and marriage is random and you just know, or teh feelz". I did that as did my parents and while I've made it work, I now see the problems of it and I refuse to let my children make the same mistake.

Blogger Mr. Excitement March 17, 2017 12:17 PM  

What a coincidence. I signed up for ancestry.com today and traced my dad's line all the way back to colonial Virginia. I always though his side was Irish. Glad I was wrong.
I'm pretty sure both sides of my family are Virginia through and through.
I'm very happy I'm a member of the "posterity" the constitution talks about.

Everybody else: you have to go back.

Anonymous Grayman March 17, 2017 12:18 PM  

@18
When white women decided to stop having babies, it was the death knell of Western Culture. How do we convince them to become women again, instead of merely poor imitations of men?

Kill #FakeFeminism. Women are conditioned from day 1 that their purpose in life is to be yet another economic unit that sits at a desk. And we wonder why women are so commonly depressed and medicated?
Women are the key to a society and as a parent i can say there is no more valuable, more important role than that of a mother raising a child in the ways of the society.

When a woman is old and gray, is she going to fondly remember, feeling fulfilled. the long hours behind a desk and the stress and pointless meetings? Or is she going to fondly remember, feeling fulfilled the human being that she brought into the world as part of her own body and raised to a man or woman, loving them through thick and thin, illness, tantrums, poopie diapers, etc?

Feminism has made motherhood something to be ridiculed, TOLERATED, avoided. That attitude must die.

Blogger D. Bay March 17, 2017 12:19 PM  

Fred Reed won't be the end of the line, the end of his lineage, if he has a child or children with his Mexican wife. He'll pass his lineage on to his new sons or daughters. Plenty of Mexicans with blonde hair, blue eyes. White Mexicans or Mexicans of European descent are basically the ones who control Mexico, not the Indian related Mestizos.

Anonymous Clay March 17, 2017 12:22 PM  

@Nate.

I know exactly what you mean. It's in the marrow.

Anonymous Susan March 17, 2017 12:22 PM  

@14

Reagan made those speeches for a grand total of $3 million because after he made those speeches, he announced that he was retiring from public life due to his Alzheimer's diagnosis. He made money because he knew a big hit was coming to their wallets and he didn't want to bankrupt Nancy.

I don't call it bad judgment for a loving husband to take one last shot at taking care of his wife while he is still able to.

Blogger Mr. Excitement March 17, 2017 12:22 PM  

To 5:
"And we're still making moonshine deep in the woods and running from revenuers in souped-up muscle cars."
Lol I come from a family of moonshiners. Franklin County: Moonshine capital of the world!

Anonymous Sam the Man March 17, 2017 12:23 PM  

The Teutonic folks are an interesting group. They interbreed with the Celts in the UK to make the "English", they interbreed with the Celts in Helvetica to make the Swiss. They interbreed with the urban folks of Latvia and Lithuania to make the urban elites of both countries (they made up the elite of Estonia, though I gather there was less interbreeding in that nation). Eastern Germans, especially Saxons and Silesians look pretty Slavic, which implies they interbred with a Slavic population. Some East Prussian faces have a slight Asian cast to them, perhaps a result of the battle of Grunwald, certainly their Lithuanian neighbors have a significant Mongol content (once you away from the city population). You also see faces in such family lines that could be straight out of Gotland and/or Polish.

In the US they seem to be the second most represented "white" ethnic group. They seem to have faded into the US English population quite well. At least with that population group, it seems that the melting pot works.

Anonymous Bird on a Wing March 17, 2017 12:31 PM  

I am descended from a family which provided three Founding Fathers, cousins all, who wrote and signed both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution; administered the very first Presidential Oath of Office to George Washington; and negotiated the Louisiana Purchase (we're Scots-Dutch, so naturally we got the best deal in the history of deal-making!)

Anonymous Sam the Man March 17, 2017 12:37 PM  

# 36 Susan:

Contrast that to Harry Truman, who almost broke after leaving the office in 1948, when offered a lucrative contract to endorse something said "The office of the presidency is not for sale".

Truman was a died in the wool socialist and yet he had more honor on a personal level than Reagan. The problem with honor is at times it requires you to do things not beneficial for you and your own; to serve a higher principle. There is a higher good than just to the comfort of one's own bloodline. One of my primary complaints about the Bush family is that is apparently all they care about, their own. Reagan failed that test.

After his death the conservative spent a lot of time genuflecting to Nancy, but it is very interesting while he was already a wee bit gaga, but it had not been announced he came out for the Brady bill. That went against his previous 30 years of service. Makes me think when he started to go he feel under her influence, and as such I give him a pass. By the same token I give Freed Reed a pass, he fought the good fight from the early 1980s to the early teens, 30 years of being a prophet in the wilderness.

Anonymous Clay March 17, 2017 12:40 PM  

I've been listening to some old CD's.

Driving While Crying

Trump should pick up "Fly Me Courageous" as his Tweeter hump.

Blogger Elder Son March 17, 2017 12:40 PM  

What a coincidence. I signed up for ancestry.com today and traced my dad's line all the way back to colonial Virginia.

That is some damn fine mighty ass work to do all that in one day.

Anonymous Em Pee See March 17, 2017 12:42 PM  

RippedPhreak is now known as Le Chateau Heartiste? News to me.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 17, 2017 12:43 PM  

@31 Durandel
Raise them to grasp The Whys (WHY you do what you do, WHY you believe what you believe) and they'll find the right spouses. Maybe there are the usual exceptions, but this seems true.

All three of my sons found bright girls from intact families (even if my sons' in-laws are not in all cases "dream teams.") All of my sons lead from capability, not coercion or insistence. They know my Whys from the ground up. Being intelligent, they adopted what made sense, improved where they saw the opportunity. They are men.

My daughters-in-law are all of my tribe. All are educated and capable, bearing the appearance of sweet natures. The two with kids quit their jobs to raise my grandchildren rather than farm it out to paid surrogates. All three families are well on their way to following a traditional, proven family model. My grandchildren are being raised using the tenets and techniques my wife and I developed, because they withstand scrutiny.

Yes, there are threats. Yes, we exist in a world of vice and surrounded by mine fields. But there is NO reason for pessimism.

We have to stop paying attention to the psychedelic wacko stuff that makes the news and realize that how we operate our lives matters more than any outside condition. I don't care how many blue- or mauve-haired, tatted-up freak I see in public, I don't care if they're the Zombie Horde, they. don't. matter. They're all apparently genetic defects, in my view. They are "the masses."

What matters is what I do (and what I did, raising my kids, and so affect what they do.) The rest of the world will sort itself out.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 17, 2017 12:50 PM  

Truth is truth, no matter where it comes from, how imperfect the delivery vehicle, or how much it highlights the hypocrisy of the person delivering it.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 17, 2017 12:50 PM  

Screw you all and your claims to ancestors on the Mayflower. My biological great-grandfather (no one can connect us without DNA) was one of the GREATEST crony-crooks of the 20th century, the central figure in the Teapot Dome scandal, who was rumored to have walked into the White House with a suitcase full of cash.

Bwah-hah-hah-hah-hah..... (evil grin.) And he had a great-grandfather who was a Lt. in the Continental Army....so there!

Damn it, I should have worked for Goldman-Sachs.

Anonymous TLM March 17, 2017 12:51 PM  

So Fred & Jeb both sold out for some low tier Mexican snatch, who cares, losers.

Anonymous kfg March 17, 2017 12:52 PM  

@38: "The Teutonic folks are an interesting group. They interbreed with . . ."

The right of Kings by conquest. We always commandeered the prettiest local girls.

From the late Roman period my father's family conquered westward from the lowlands, my mother's eastward from the high. I wouldn't pass the Pure 100% Bavarian Phenotype test.

But I do seem to have an inordinate fondness for axes.

Anonymous Clay March 17, 2017 12:54 PM  

Hey, Sunset....throw the ages of these kids into your mix......

Blogger Phat Repat March 17, 2017 12:55 PM  

Kinda made me chuckle and reminds me of blacks lamenting, "we wuz kingz and queenz and shit."

And soon these cucks will be lamenting "We wuz da realz Americanz and shit."

Blogger Phat Repat March 17, 2017 12:59 PM  

@46 "Damn it, I should have worked for Goldman-Sachs."

Well, it's never too late. Oops, my bad, yes it is. April/May will be fun. Summer? Where's me shelter?

Anonymous Clay March 17, 2017 12:59 PM  

Phat..you forgot "Nubian".

Anonymous BBGKB March 17, 2017 1:03 PM  

Is Fred really failing to follow in his ancestors footsteps if Barron Cavalier Venable tried to tempt illiterate 12yo girls into his carriage with ice cream? It's crazy to think that one of Washington's prize possessions was an ice cream maker but Latrina's 21 crackbabies all ate more ice cream by age 10 than he did in his life.

OT: New queen of alt right crowned by left
http://www.gaypatriot.net/2017/03/16/replacement-milo/

Anonymous BluePony March 17, 2017 1:04 PM  

Progressiveness is clearly genetic to the extent that it's the result of massive mental illness.

Last Fred article I read he was admonishing whitey for not loving the gang inked cholos who are turning parts of the US into third world despotteries because a few Mexican women are pretty. Or something like that. It was pretty rambling.

Mexico can keep him.

Anonymous BluePony March 17, 2017 1:06 PM  

And soon these cucks will be lamenting "We wuz da realz Americanz and shit."

No they won't. They'll be virtue signalling right up until the executioner's sword removes their useless heads from their bodies.

Blogger Unknown March 17, 2017 1:09 PM  

OT: New queen of alt right crowned by left

I tried to nominate Maddow as the honorary king, but no go.

Blogger VD March 17, 2017 1:12 PM  

That depends on who his kids breed with. Your native American bloodline was diluted and you were immersed in your family's dominant culture. To the point where members of your family didn't even realize just how native and/or Mexican you they were until you went for genetic testing.

That's not true. We knew perfectly well how Mexican we were for the obvious reason that we know our Mexican extended family. We also knew that there was an X factor that was non-Northern European; the primary candidates appeared to be Spanish, Italian, or Filipino, in that order. Hence the surprise when it turned out to be American Indian.

Blogger Resident Moron™ March 17, 2017 1:12 PM  

@Grayman

My mother died a month ago. No drama, it was time.

In later life, after the nest had emptied, she took up her work where she'd left it to raise a large tumultuous family.

Why am I telling you this?

It wasn't any of her employers who gathered together to take up her remains and carry out her last instructions, who remembered together her loving and gentle strength, who retold each other her stories that we knew, spreading her memories among us, andwho laughed and cried as we did so.

Blogger Chris Mallory March 17, 2017 1:13 PM  

a deplorable rubberducky wrote:There's another Virginia, born from the Scottish highlanders,

Lowland Scots, not the Highlanders.

My 10th and 11th Great Grandfathers fought on the side of the Cavaliers. My 13th Great Grandfather was nicknamed "Scourge of the Catholics" for his work in suppressing the Papist heresy.

Anonymous A Former Spartan March 17, 2017 1:14 PM  

Oh, roger. Like I said, "for what it's worth. "

Anonymous Clay March 17, 2017 1:15 PM  

OOOh...a pile of turds has maken it's way here.

Anonymous Wraithburn March 17, 2017 1:16 PM  

This is one of the core reasons why heraldry worked the way it did. The symbols in your coat of arms explained things about you and your family line. Things you had achieved, and the content of your character. You couldn't stick whatever stuff you wanted onto it, you had to follow the rules.

A friend of mine helped me work out what everything on my family coat of arms meant a while ago. I use it as my profile pic on twitter. It fits me and my line still, hundreds of years later.

Colors:
Gold means generosity and elevation of the mind
Blue means truth and loyalty

Fur pattern on shield:
called Ermine, represents dignity

Core patterns on shield:
The blue bar represents valor or military service
The coins on it represent wealth and trustworthiness in handling others possessions
The ax is a fasces and represents justice
The roses represent hope and joy, and since they are red, grace and beauty as well

The helmet:
As a closed steel helm, it represents the rank of burgher, the lowest form of nobility
The blue and yellow torse on top of the helmet is the family colors
The torse also holds the mantling in place, which is the pattern wrapped around the shield. As the mantling is shredded, it represents combat
The dragon on top represents a protective nature, and it is also a symbol of the Welsh
The second fasces shows the protection to be just

Finally the banner at the bottom holds the family motto in latin:
Suatiter Et Fortiter, which translates as sweetly and strongly, the meaning being strength tempered by gentleness

Blogger MrPaules March 17, 2017 1:18 PM  

If you've ever traveled to Latin America, you know that a white aristocracy still rules most of the region, even in areas where whites represent single digit percentages. Likewise, in South Africa the Afrikaners are down to a few million even as the rainbow nation is self-destructing. The point being that favored genetics will win in the end. "K" will dominate "r" when conditions get sufficiently difficult. I will predict with some confidence that a white Afrikaner nation will rise out of the ashes in the next two generations or so. Quality beats quantity.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky March 17, 2017 1:20 PM  

Mr. Excitement wrote:To 5:

"And we're still making moonshine deep in the woods and running from revenuers in souped-up muscle cars."

Lol I come from a family of moonshiners. Franklin County: Moonshine capital of the world!


Small world! I'm a Franklin County boy, myself. One of the Ramseys.

Anonymous A Former Spartan March 17, 2017 1:20 PM  

That's pretty much my attitude towards the man. I still find many things he has to say both penetrating and ridiculously funny. He was integral to my own "red pilling" so I have a soft spot for him.

Anonymous BBGKB March 17, 2017 1:21 PM  

fondly remember, feeling fulfilled. the long hours behind a desk and the stress and pointless meetings?

"Oh I put Mary Sue in her place with a good zinger 40years ago."

Damn it, I should have worked for Goldman-Sachs.

When things go down & its Escape from NY time, would you & your family survive? People are taking out leases for emergency inflatable boats for $90,000 a year in NYC. I would laugh so hard if the power was out when the needed to flee, not just blowing them up but I could see them being locked with electronics.

Anonymous Clay March 17, 2017 1:23 PM  

Out of curiosity, VD...you say you have DNA proof of Indian heritage...can they be so specific as to tell you what "tribe"?

I just wondered, nothing nasty in mind.

Blogger Phat Repat March 17, 2017 1:24 PM  

@Clay point

Blogger Mountain Man March 17, 2017 1:24 PM  

I always had a thing for Afrikan women. Some of the most heart stopping beauties found anywhere in the world.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 17, 2017 1:29 PM  

@49 My kids are 26, 29 and 32 (rounding.) Millennials, but who own houses, work in real jobs "punching above their weight," are married and two are adding to the dynasty. (grin)

A few unsolicited Whys I discussed with my kids:
1. There are two kinds of control in the world, "self control" and "others control." When you grow up and reach my size the "others" who do control come with badges, guns and bad attitudes. It's my job as your father to teach you to self-control, and I want you to learn that ASAP because I have enough on my plate just controlling myself. Also, self-controlled people are much happier.
2. Everything you do becomes a permanent part of you. As you age, your standards of self-judgment evolve and things you did in youth will become regrets. Try to think ahead, and create as few regrets as you can.
3. I'd give big $ to avoid seeing a grandchild aborted; do me a favor and Do Not Dally with some bat-guano crazy young woman. The girl who offers herself to you for free may be the most costly mistake you ever make.
4. Never be within arm's reach of a drunk. They throw sucker-punches.
5. Life is an adventure best tackled in partnership. Raising kids is a tag-team sport. Good spouses make the highs higher and the lows less low.
6. Happiness is a path, not a destination, and the trick is to realize when you're in the ditch and find a way back to the path.
7. All successful human relationships are based on mutual respect. Don't reward people, including your kids, for doing what you want (like they're dogs to be trained), pay them respect for doing what's respect-worthy.

Others' mileage may vary. I do not imagine following Fred Reed's example by tossing over the woman who bore and primarily nurtured my sons, and with whom I've shared a fantastic life so far traveling Happiness Path, in favor of a single mom in Beanerland.

Our actions are self-portraits, not the hagiographies we tout in our PR. I don't much respect Reed's.

Anonymous Northern Observer March 17, 2017 1:32 PM  

VD@56: "That's not true. We knew perfectly well how Mexican we were for the obvious reason that we know our Mexican extended family."

But isn't it true for your American Indian X-factor?

Anonymous Clay March 17, 2017 1:35 PM  

Well thank the Dutch. It damn sure wasn't the Zulu's.

Blogger slarrow March 17, 2017 1:38 PM  

Vox knows, Clay. He just doesn't reveal it to spare that tribe some grief.

Anonymous Grayman March 17, 2017 1:42 PM  

@57 Moron

My condolences, may you cherish those memories always.

Anonymous Clay March 17, 2017 1:43 PM  

I certainly wasn't trying to criticize or your progeny, Sunset.

I was just curious.

Blogger pyrrhus March 17, 2017 1:45 PM  

" steeped in the thought of the Enlightenment"--Therein lies the problem, the "blank slate" thinking of the Enlightenment, where anyone in the Huddled Masses can become Washington or Jefferson.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 17, 2017 1:49 PM  

@74 Clay, I didn't take it that way. I'm just giving into parental pride, a little sperg inside and a much bigger ego. The usual stuff, you know.

Anonymous Clay March 17, 2017 1:51 PM  

Good deal.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 17, 2017 1:56 PM  

Fred Reed's column (and boredom) led me to realize I have an ancestor who was a baron in Ireland in the early 1600's. He built a castle. So that makes me special, right? [weee, I'm a Secret King after all!]

Looks like a fixer-upper, though.
http://www.mckinneyandstewart.com/genealogy/showmedia.php?mediaID=358&medialinkID=566

Anonymous Eduardo March 17, 2017 2:08 PM  

From now on you shall be called Baron DC Sunsets, the Secret King.

Now rise Sir Sunsets!

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 17, 2017 2:10 PM  

That is very reassuring. I'm going to take a screenshot to look at when I feel overwhelmed by the dregs of society.

It helps a lot to remember that they're bottom-feeders, and that most will never be anything more.

Blogger Mr. Excitement March 17, 2017 2:12 PM  

To 42:

That is some damn fine mighty ass work to do all that in one day.

It's all point and click. I signed up for that site 7 years ago and never bothered with all the hassle.
How wrong I was. Thousands of other members have already done most of the work, and all you have to do is make the connections.
Very easy. I was pleasantly surprised.

Blogger Mr. Excitement March 17, 2017 2:17 PM  

To: a deplorable rubberducky

Henry County here. But my uncle made all the 'shine in Franklin. My dad helped him of course, in his younger years. My dad had a gold tooth (used in dentistry back then) because he busted his tooth on a rock one day while loading crates of liquor for shipment. This was back in the 50s and 60s.

It's only in the past few years that I'm learning the real secrets of the family.
The moonshiners were basically hillbilly mafia.

Anonymous BluePony March 17, 2017 2:41 PM  

@dc.sunsets

I wish you'd been my dad.

Can I borrow your DNA? And a time machine if you have one lying about.

Blogger VD March 17, 2017 2:47 PM  

Out of curiosity, VD...you say you have DNA proof of Indian heritage...can they be so specific as to tell you what "tribe"?

No, but it wasn't hard to find the tribe once we knew to look. One of my brothers is into this sort of thing. And then we saw a picture of a full-blooded woman who looks far more like one of my brothers than I do, and a painting from the 1800s that looks exactly like my mother.

I mean, it was one of those, "oh, so, yeah" moments. A rather attractive people, I have to say. They look nothing like me, but it's no surprise that my brothers were all models when they were younger.

Anonymous WTF March 17, 2017 2:48 PM  

Wait, VD is Mexican-Native American?
WHAT?
So by his own logic he should be kicked out ... what? every country?

VD, you think you're smart but have you considered you might just be messed up?

Anonymous Clay March 17, 2017 2:51 PM  

Hah! I always figgered you were a Mohawk, VD:)

Thanks for the reply.

Blogger allyn71 March 17, 2017 2:51 PM  

This is where the civic nationalists and magic dirt proponents really struggle.

Up until the last few generations most whites on this continents had family lines that pretty much stayed within national ties. Germans married Germans, Irish to Irish, WASP to WASP, etc.

Then the co religionist started to swap lines. Irish and Italian Catholics, German and Swedish Lutherans, etc.

Now it is all a giant mess. When Vox calls the American nation the posterity of the WASP founding fathers they find themselves on the outside looking in. They are "Fake Americans" and they freak out because they realize they have no place anywhere. No ties except for "European" or "White".

It is cultural genocide, whole people being wiped out and adrift in the world with no ties to a heritage or tradition. A case could be made that a new people is being formed but it isn't the original WASP stock that founded this country.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper March 17, 2017 2:56 PM  

Fred is a decent guy but is utterly unreliable on any issues regarding Mexico. Its a natural conflict of interest since he is now a Mexican more or less.

That said I suspect more than a few upper class/W.A.S.P lineages bit the dust in the mid 20th century

I know a family of revolutionary stock who would under healthy reproduction would have had 3 children, nine grand children , 27 great grand children and around 50 great grand children (assuming marriage 22-25 and 3 children each)

The have remaining 3 children, all seniors and among those only 2 children none with children of their own. That's it and there are healthy people of good White stock.

The other side of the family did a little better but they basically stopped being part of that WASP social structure entirely.

This seems to be pretty common do to the social disruptions of the last half century or so.

As for the causes, a lot of this is of course caused by Feminism /Cultural Marxism but its not all that. Quite a bit is economic and from urbanization and while obviously Communism/Socialism is not the solution neither is an economic system that is heavily automated, FIRE based unstable and treats people like interchangeable cogs

Something is going to have to come along to ensure people generally can have long term highly stable employment if they work. This is especially necessary in highly urban societies in order to compensate for the high costs of urban living and the normal population sink effects of urban living

This along with an emphasis on a healthy culture and a system that stops Globalists/Marxist subversion cold leads me to think that there will have to be an interregnum with a lot less economic freedom and liberalism than we are used to

A healthy society is Conservative but getting to that will require an Authoritarian Right

On those grounds it seems like the "libertarian" element of the US Right is a big a problem as the Left is.

All that said, societies fail and its not a surprise that the US which was essentially a grift and built on bad compromises and bad premises isn't going to last very long in the grand scheme of things.




Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor March 17, 2017 2:56 PM  

It's funny how wrong these stories of family ancestry can be. Growing up I was told that one of my great-great-grandfathers had been an Irish immigrant, but that turned out not to be true at all - he was the son of a Confederate veteran in Mississippi. That line of the family was actually English and had come to Massachusetts from London around 1630.

Blogger Mr. Excitement March 17, 2017 3:01 PM  

To 89:

Same here: My dad always said his side of the family was Irish. Turns out it's English all the way back to the 1600s on Nantucket island, Massachusetts

Anonymous DaveInjustice March 17, 2017 3:20 PM  

I recently took a DNA test to supplement my genealogy research and what I found interesting is I have not even a trace of African ancestry in me. So I'm guessing intermarriage between those races isn't nearly as common in history as some would think. The closest is a trace amount of middle Eastern, which probably came from the Iberian regional descent I had no idea existed. I'm guessing the "Italian" great grandparent had something in his history nobody knew.

I don't know how Vox's detractors can honestly deny his native ancestry. Look at pictures of native Americans, especially from certain tribes and the resemblance in features is unmistakable. May e that's why in WoW he was drawn to the night elf Mohawk

Blogger Elder Son March 17, 2017 3:21 PM  

@81 Yeah. I've been doing it for a few years myself, but I didn't just start this morning and this afternoon figured out my lineage. And it ain't "point and click". That is the road to many mistakes and many not relatives that have no business being in your tree heading you off in the wrong direction. Even considering distant cousins and aunt & uncles with their own tree's, you have to research.

Blogger Resident Moron™ March 17, 2017 3:23 PM  

Thanks, Grayman. I appreciate it.

In case it wasn't clear, I was replying to an earlier comment of yours.

What I described is the truth we have to teach our daughters, and remind our sisters, mothers, and cousins about.

Their careers don't care about them. Their careers won't care for them, when they're sick, injured, heartbroken, alone.

"Investing" in a career to the detriment of family is a fool's wager. A woefully short time preference.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 17, 2017 3:24 PM  

I like Fred and will continue reading his stuff. Unless my memory is really gone, Fred has stated that he supports a country's prerogative to defend its borders including these uSA's.

Fred moved to Mexico and accepts that he has to live according to how things are done in Mexico and that, regardless of what we think of the Mexican culture, Mexicans do have universities the graduate doctors, engineers, etc, that not all Mexicans are idiots.

Fred, though, does point out that we are the ones that have allowed the mess to develop and that the correction needed will indeed be messy.

I will now go and read his latest.

Blogger Elder Son March 17, 2017 3:25 PM  

P.S. Those "point and click's" are HINTS not de-facto your relatives.

Anonymous Anonymous March 17, 2017 3:29 PM  

Reads "physiognomy is real."
Reads "cuckservative."

Ctrl-F "MPC" 0 results
Ctrl-F "My Posting Career" 0 results


Shameful.

Blogger Mr. Excitement March 17, 2017 3:31 PM  

To 95.

My family name originates in England, at least back to the 1600s, just west of London. The records are fairly accurate even to the back to the late 1800s.

I'm pretty fucking sure that 20+ years of research conducted by hundreds of people is fairly fucking accurate.

So go F yourself. Fake Americans need to go back.

Anonymous Luke March 17, 2017 3:32 PM  

18. Harris March 17, 2017 11:50 AM
" But I have to wonder if we are too late, at least in some circumstances. When white women decided to stop having babies, it was the death knell of Western Culture. How do we convince them to become women again, instead of merely poor imitations of men?"

We already know how. Restrict their life options to largely just one of three:
--prostitute (maybe with money, but with NO social status outside of frontier towns)
--nun (means ALL jobs they can get are humble & low-paying, and the women are clearly celibate or get unceremoniously booted down into the prostitute caste)
--married (to a MAN, of same citizenship and race) wife and mother

Of course this means them losing the vote in national elections, the return of family-wage jobs (that ONLY married FATHERS get), 95% of the time UMC on up once married wives quit their jobs, many jobs overtly ONLY for men, end of all sex-based affirmative action in obtaining jobs/academic access, end of WIC & AFDC or whatever they call it now (SNAP?), return of default father custody in divorce for children not currently being breastfed, end of court orders for child support from married men to mothers of bastards, etc., etc.

Phillip Longman in his article "The Return of Patriarchy" discusses SOME of this. More is in Daniel Amneus' "The Garbage Generation" and Roger Devlin's "Home Economics".

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 17, 2017 3:35 PM  

The Confederates that went to Brazil did so because they would not take the oath of loyalty, being demanded and required to get a pardon.

Back to Fred. This is the caption, my guess by Fred, under the picture of a painting depicting a Confederate soldier: The war bore little resemblance to accounts fed to an ignorant public declining both in schooling and in respect for even the idea of schooling. It is a triumph of American civilization that as the opportunity for education has expanded without limit, its practice has fallen to the level proper to peasants.

Anyone here disagrees with that?

May I also point out that the complete name is Estados Unidos De Mexico (United States Of Mexico) and that their estados (states) is much better translated and understood as apartments. Mexico is unitary with states being, simply, administrative divisions. Sounds familiar? We have become Mexico and no wonder why things have been deteriorating for 150 odd years.

Blogger Orville March 17, 2017 3:47 PM  

@96 My family name originates in England, at least back to the 1600s, just west of London. The records are fairly accurate even to the back to the late 1800s.

So true. I didn't even use a genealogical service and found records back to the early 1600's on a Brit website, mostly church records. I can absolutely establish back to 1858 as my parents have in possession a family photo taken in England before the two brothers came over. The matriarch in the picture was born in in the 1780's.

Blogger Elder Son March 17, 2017 3:49 PM  

@96 You said at March 17, 2017 12:17 PM:

What a coincidence. I signed up for ancestry.com today and traced my dad's line all the way back to colonial Virginia.

No. You did not personally do any research and make your tree all in one morning. And still, it is NOT "point and click" presto. Telling me to go F myself changes nothing.

Blogger VD March 17, 2017 3:50 PM  

So by his own logic he should be kicked out ... what? every country?

One does not make macro-societal policy on the basis of a single individual. Also, I left a LONG time ago.

Anonymous Trump-Democrat March 17, 2017 3:52 PM  

I believe that races other than Englishman are capable of displaying the kind of sacrifice and willingness to die for causes like liberty and freedom like the English Americans did in the revolutionary war. But for whatever reason(s) they have not displayed it as much in the last 200 + years, but I think that they are capable of it.

Blogger OneWingedShark March 17, 2017 4:10 PM  

VD wrote:One does not make macro-societal policy on the basis of a single individual.

There's a big, and important, exception though: Jesus.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper March 17, 2017 4:18 PM  

Luke @97 , there isn't a single political movement out there willing or if there is able to create that kind of society.

Unless there is a complete collapse, the amount of distractions and complexity aren't going away.

TV, video games, the Internet , Porn and hundreds of other ways to spend time are going to be around for some time and while abortion or maybe birth control could be banned , you'll just get more unwanted, out of wedlock non White babies . Japan went to lowest low with little more than condoms

To my way of thinking Television and a bit of prosperity is the greatest birth control more than abortion or anything else. As I understand it Brazil used it in part to gets its TFR down below replacement.

Simply, you can't tell people "Welcome to a dehumanizing society where you have no value and are a cog. now cut your standard of living and reproduce so the wealthy can get wealthier you know for the greater good."

The net result is exactly what you'd expect. Much lower cooperation.

And note too, economics do matter. Semi affluent Social Democratic Sweden even though its in loads of trouble has a much higher native TFR than far more religious, less feminist, more homogeneous and nationalist Poland and Hungary

Plans based on collapse are fine as any plan if it happens but counting on modernity and technology to just up an vanish is a mugs game.

Also if that doesn't cheer you up, if collapse happens, populations will decline in quite possibly an apocalyptic manner and may never recover anywhere near the numbers.

Ireland is a great example , it has around half the pre potato famine population as of 2015 !

A real fix is going to need to be handled very deftly and top down change will require mass public participation from the new elite else it will fail.

Blogger tz March 17, 2017 4:18 PM  

@102
I believe that races other than Englishman are capable of displaying the kind of sacrifice and willingness to die for causes like liberty and freedom like the English Americans did in the revolutionary war.
They will die for their homeland as the native Americans proved, but won't die for abstract principles.
Even Germany in WW2 wanted libesenram - room to expand.

The only case I can think of is the white-knighting of the union soldiers (not Lincoln or the political class) thinking the war was initiated to end slavery.

Blogger tz March 17, 2017 4:22 PM  

@101
Hosts will accept and even encourage symbionts - I suppose chinese would do laundry europeans wouldn't.
but "single individual" is either redundant, or I would note married is better.

The aliens that help and pull up the natives isn't going to be a problem, but those who mooch and are noisome or obnoxious will be resented and eventually ejected.

Anonymous BB753 March 17, 2017 4:29 PM  

A baron belongs to the nobility not to the upper middle class. Most Americans do not understand the old European social order at all.

Blogger Mr. Excitement March 17, 2017 4:29 PM  

To 100 Elder Son:

You have taken an unhealthy and weird interest in my posts here. I'm sorry but, I'm heterosexual. Stop flirting with me.

Blogger Daniel March 17, 2017 4:46 PM  

As a father of a blue eyed blonde girl who is still a teenager, i just pray he gets caucasian. In argentina noone cares from what europen country we are from, but i'd like her to keep the european blood

Blogger Daniel March 17, 2017 4:47 PM  

Good questions

Blogger Harris March 17, 2017 4:50 PM  

Chris Mallory wrote:a deplorable rubberducky wrote:There's another Virginia, born from the Scottish highlanders,

Lowland Scots, not the Highlanders.

My 10th and 11th Great Grandfathers fought on the side of the Cavaliers. My 13th Great Grandfather was nicknamed "Scourge of the Catholics" for his work in suppressing the Papist heresy.


Sir Mildmay, Keeper of the Crown Jewels for Charles I married into the Harris family and, by the laws of the day, eventually became the owner of Creeksea Place. He is reputed to have been one of the twelve State elders who subsequently signed King Charles's death warrant. Following the execution and after the accession to the throne of Charles II, Sir Henry was said to have been arrested at Creeksea and he and the other eleven elders were accused of regicide (the murder of a king or queen), later pardoned but it is said, to make sure they did not forget the enormity of their crime, all twelve were obliged to spend the anniversary date of the King's execution in the Tower of London.

Blogger Orville March 17, 2017 4:52 PM  

@107 Yes, landed gentry, my people, were not of the aristocracy.

Blogger Cail Corishev March 17, 2017 4:54 PM  

I recently took a DNA test to supplement my genealogy research and what I found interesting is I have not even a trace of African ancestry in me. So I'm guessing intermarriage between those races isn't nearly as common in history as some would think.

That seems to be a fairly typical result. I've heard several people talk about sending their DNA off, expecting to learn about that exotic ancestor the family always talked about, only to find out they're 100% Boring White Person.

I wouldn't be surprised if that plays into increased racial awareness by whites, and less willingness to sacrifice to get along with non-whites, as more whites find out their heritage is simpler than they thought. At the same time, it could lead to more division among whites, as people find out they're actually more "just English" (or "just German" or whatever) than they thought, too.

Anonymous Grayman March 17, 2017 4:55 PM  

The wrong question is being asked here. Everything has a life cycle whether it's a star a solar system a planet or an individual cell and so do Empires. The question at hand is how do you have a civilization built by an individual race and culture transcend the life cycle of the Empire it builds

Anonymous Daniel H March 17, 2017 5:05 PM  

What are you going to do. Fred fell in love with a Mexican woman and a man has to stand by his wife. If he can't stand by his wife he is not worth much. Fred and others of his ilk could be the kernal that initiates a new Mexican dynast, a dynasty that will be Mexican but one that will improve Mexican society and culture immensely. Time will tell.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 17, 2017 5:08 PM  

47. TLM
I don't think Fred married a goblin like Yeb did.

Blogger Orville March 17, 2017 5:29 PM  

Yeb would need a spinal implant to be able to stand by his wife or anything else.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 17, 2017 5:36 PM  

Most of the comments with regards to Mexicans that immigrate to these uSA deal with Mexicans that are descendants of one of the 5 tribes (aztec, mayan, I do not rememebr the others) or a mixture of those and Europeans and/or Africans.
But not all of Mexico is like that. There are Mexicans that are green eyed blonds who are several generations Mexicans, family lines, on both sides, can be traced to Spain.

Blogger OGRE March 17, 2017 5:37 PM  

Can trace my mother's side of the family back to Christopher Newport, Captain of the ships bringing the first settlers to Jamestown.

So fuck off all you Mayflower late-comers...

Blogger Elder Son March 17, 2017 5:53 PM  

@108 To 100 Elder Son:

You have taken an unhealthy and weird interest in my posts here. I'm sorry but, I'm heterosexual. Stop flirting with me.


@100 - @96 You said at March 17, 2017 12:17 PM:

"What a coincidence. I signed up for ancestry.com today and traced my dad's line all the way back to colonial Virginia."

No. You did not personally do any research and make your tree all in one morning. And still, it is NOT "point and click" presto. Telling me to go F myself changes nothing.


That is not "flirting". That is calling you out on your obvious B.S. I've been doing ancestry.com, plus a few others, for close to 6 years. One of my distant cousins, who I met at ancestry.com has been doing genealogy for YEARS and is LDS religious about it. So, you don't fool me. Even with your homo shtick. But you persist. Really, you should have just let it go.

Blogger Javier March 17, 2017 6:08 PM  

A theory says that Caucasians and Africans aren't even related genetically. Has to do with blood types, I will look it up but I don't think we are even related. If that was shown, it would end all this Pc bullshit

Anonymous Soylent_Green March 17, 2017 6:10 PM  

@26 Titus. Ha! I do the same and tell people / fill out forms that I'm of mixed-race background: Celt & Saxon. Actually got a letter from the last census asking what races those were. Not kidding.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 17, 2017 6:18 PM  

Fred Reed shows once again that he lives in the world of rhetoric. He admits that genes are real in terms of his family line, then turns around and insists they don't matter in terms of his adopted Raza. HIs heart rules, his brain drools. Fred Reed is a micro example of why the future won't have nice things.

Anonymous rienzi March 17, 2017 6:22 PM  

Was able to trace all the way back to a German 26th great grandfather circa 1190 AD. Turns out he is also an ancestor of the King of Spain, and the Prince of Wales. Yippee! I'm a secret king!

Somehow, I don't think my "cousins" will be putting me up the next time I visit Madrid or London.

Blogger Y. March 17, 2017 6:28 PM  

As I understand it, Mexico has some sort of hierarchy, where the elites are basically white by descent, then there's mestizos, and at the very bottom are descendants of native tribes.

Personally, I keep thinking that Amerindian IQ is underestimated. I also recognize that that is not the only thing that is required for well-functioning societies.

It's worth remembering that natives in both central and southern America invented writing and agriculture.

That never happened in Africa. The furthest indigenous development were proto-writing systems in the 2nd millenium AD.

Supposedly, genotypic IQ of amerindians is only 5 points higher..

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 17, 2017 6:29 PM  

100% Morok, now who's for dinner?

Blogger Gospace March 17, 2017 6:48 PM  

I discovered very early on that there are a lot of family trees on ancestry.com and on familysearch.org that are very fanciful creations, that past the third generation are mostly fiction. And even with that, there is the presumption that all the mothers were honest about who the fathers were in days before DNA testing...

I can reliably trace my mother's maiden name back to a 5G-grandfather of mine born in VA in 1735. The next step back is guesswork based on the mother's maiden name, which became middle and first names in subsequent generations, a not uncommon practice of the time. Past that? Nobody knows for sure. I've seen trees that jump back immediately to England and trace to a minor English royal with lands awarded and a castle in Ireland. I've seen others that show the further back ancestors migrating from Long Island, having started out in MA. But none of the trees which show either option have any documentation.

You find some strange things if you really get into thoroughly documenting each step in the ancestry chain rather then just blindly following someone's possibly fanciful chain. I have 6 4G-grandparents born in Scotland who arrived in Prince Edward Island in the late 1700's. Researching that is how I found out about the Highland Clearances and the Scottish Diaspora. And turns out one of those ancestors was a sea captain. Had a ship that made regular voyages back and forth. And turns out had a wife and children in Scotland and a wife and children on Prince Edward Island. Pre telephony days, who would know? One generation further back is a Stewart. I have determined once you find a Stewart or Stuart in your Scottish family line from that era, you can trace to Kings. Also have Lairds in my ancestry from there. Scottish lords at one point; it was unlawful to use that name without proof of ancestry.

It took me years to get this all straight. And my maternal grandfather? Well, I distinctly remember him declaring he was Scottish. And since he and all his brothers were ship's engineers, that seems almost a for certain thing. But, Ireland and England are all I can find in his ancestry. All my Scottish blood comes from my father's side. And my paternal grandmother stoutly insisted she was English. A little bit, but mostly Scottish. Don't believe family stories, and don't blindly follow other people's family tree renditions without documentation. The earliest born here I can trace is 1615, a 10G-grandmother, born in Northumberland, VA.

Blogger Wanda Sherratt March 17, 2017 6:54 PM  

88 - That could be the story of my family. My grandparents had 8 children: 7 girls and 1 boy (and the boy was the eldest - imagine how spoiled he was!)

That oldest boy, my uncle, had 6 kids - but then, he inherited the farm from my grandpa, and stayed there, living much the same life he had growing up. His sisters all scattered to the cities. Two never married. One had 3 daughters, and 3 of them had 2 kids, and 1 had 1.

Now we come to my generation. I have 3 kids, all of whom are handicapped with different degrees of autism, so they won't be having children themselves. Among my 14 cousins and 1 sister, there is only ONE child. Unless that one child gets prodigiously busy, my family ends with the next generation.

There's no real explanation for why this happened. Everyone had different lives, but somehow they either didn't marry, or they never had time to spare for having kids.

OpenID thetroll March 17, 2017 7:12 PM  

> Some East Prussian faces have a slight Asian cast to them,

That'll be Crimean Tatar bloodlines from the days when the Khanate was in constant looting/slaving raids along the entire Baltic - Black Seas axis. My grandfather from between Krakow and Lviv wasn't just "slight Asian cast", if someone told you a picture of him was actually of a Kyrgyz you wouldn't even think to question it. My known history down the direct male line ends immediately after him -- the very first record is when Great-grandpa's name appears on his Polish marriage certificate to a Badowski, which was an armigerous family in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth so pretty much as pure pedigreed Polack as you can get. How _that_ pair got together is no doubt a story. Then Dad married this Scottish Presbyterian chick whose ancestry is documented back to Hugh de Ros "Hugh the Bloody" who got granted the Rose estates for, ah, *distinguishing himself* in the 1066 invasion.

So Normans on the one side, Tatar Yoke on the other, and here I am in Thailand doing the Fred thing (just not being defensive about it). Degeneration, indeed...

Anonymous Icicle March 17, 2017 7:15 PM  

I could tell right away Vox was part American Indian. He has the same exact eyes as some blends I have seen.

Anonymous Sheiko29 March 17, 2017 8:12 PM  

I gifted my wife with an ancestry spit-test before the proposal. Not as neanderthal as one would like, but acceptable...

Also worth noting - the difficulties in marrying outside (beneath) your socioeconomic class. The awkward wedding will be the first of many painful experiences.

Blogger Matthew March 17, 2017 9:01 PM  

Em Pee See wrote:RippedPhreak is now known as Le Chateau Heartiste? News to me.

Eat shit, niglet.

MPC is intentionally difficult, intentionally obscure, and intentionally unwelcoming to newbies. It's great. I would not have it any other way.

Clearly Heartiste reads MPC and he winnows it for the good seeds, which he casts to the winds, that they may fall on what ground they may. So he's going to get credit for the seeds, because most people don't have time to wade through the family stories about snickerdoodle combat powder, pizza-thieving seagulls, and artisanal cob-walled composting toilets.

Blogger frigger611 March 17, 2017 9:04 PM  

Oh, Ireland and her castles. Seems there was a king and a castle on every hill once upon a time. Don't go all shillelagh on me as I am a fifth Oirish meself,

But back at the turn of the century I was working for a certain Irish band at Slane castle. A local low rent security guard heard my American accent and wanted to chat me up, whereupon he thanked me for the great President Bill Clinton,

Who had fashioned a Good Friday Agreement years prior to release a bunch of IRA terrorists. This guy was one of 'em. He told me he had been imprisoned for killing a British soldier. But he whispered with a smile "actually I got 15 of those bastards..."

Blogger Sheila4g March 17, 2017 9:07 PM  

As Elder Son and Gospace noted, there's a lot of fanciful stuff on Ancestry and Family Search. I've found blatant errors in so many places, and a lot of people just copy others' erroneous conclusions. Documenting ancestry back more an a few hundred years is difficult in lots of countries, particularly if one's family was not wealthy or semi-important. One of my late mother-in-law's cousins hired a professional genealogist a few decades ago to look into the family line, but both she and her sister were utterly uninterested in joining in paying or learning the guy's findings. The cousin was generous enough to put what was found (in Italy back to the 1600s) online, but had no documentation. I've been able to flesh out all the US records, and have copies of the Italian ones for about 100 years before that (which need to be translated) but if I were really serious I'd have to go to Europe myself and try to see records. I've done almost nothing on my husband's Irish side, which presents entirely different challenges. In any event, genealogy can be fascinating and time consuming, but check and document everything carefully and don't trust any family stories or assume all births were legitimate.

While those having their DNA tested (via Ancestry or 23 & Me) are self selected, there is still value in having it done. Most White people who've been tested by any of the well-known groups are 98 or 99% White, whereas in contrast one guy at Amren kept trying to claim Mestizos average 75 - 80% European ancestry (based on those who self-selected to pay to be tested). The comment threads at such places (at least all those I've seen)tend to be dominated by adoptees searching for their families, or Jews, or Negroes. Neither my husband nor I have any detectable sub-Saharan ancestry, and we've both got average amounts of Neanderthal genetics. Anyhow, it can be a time-consuming and fulfilling hobby, but too many get overly emotionally invested in people who are long dead and, in many cases, would utterly disapprove of one's modern values or life choices (even if one is considered traditional today).

Anonymous BBGKB March 17, 2017 9:11 PM  

and artisanal cob-walled composting toilets.

I think David The Good had an article on that also.

Anonymous Luke March 17, 2017 9:42 PM  

04. A.B. Prosper March 17, 2017 4:18 PM
Luke @97 , "there isn't a single political movement out there willing or if there is able to create that kind of society.

Unless there is a complete collapse, the amount of distractions and complexity aren't going away.

TV, video games, the Internet , Porn and hundreds of other ways to spend time are going to be around for some time and while abortion or maybe birth control could be banned , you'll just get more unwanted, out of wedlock non White babies . Japan went to lowest low with little more than condoms

To my way of thinking Television and a bit of prosperity is the greatest birth control more than abortion or anything else. As I understand it Brazil used it in part to gets its TFR down below replacement.

Simply, you can't tell people "Welcome to a dehumanizing society where you have no value and are a cog. now cut your standard of living and reproduce so the wealthy can get wealthier you know for the greater good."

The net result is exactly what you'd expect. Much lower cooperation."


1) You're wrong about Japan becoming all-but-barren due to mainly condoms. They use the hell out of abortions, right up there with the Russian rate. MULTIPLE abortions per woman not even early 30s is fairly common (among the Jap chicks still having sex).

2) Women won't get ASKED if they want to lose the vote, all their paperwork bovine feces jobs, the cock carousel, and the option to marry post-Wall (Followed by deadbedding, cuckolding, then divorce court raping) good men). Economic collapse + most men's attitudes toward entitlement princesses will become ZFG for all but close blood relatives (and many of those will be told FOAD too).

Blogger Billy March 17, 2017 9:46 PM  

I remember Fred writing about his trip to the eye doctor a few years ago. Yeah if I recall correctly he called him the "eye doctor", since this doctor was competant Mexico was on par with traditional America, case closed in his book. I guess if he drags Mexico too hard hes afraid senorita might hide his bifocals.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 17, 2017 10:09 PM  

Fred is also a veteran, Vietnam. He can get medical services in these uSA through the Veteran Services Administration.

Blogger Gospace March 17, 2017 10:31 PM  

Sheila4g mentioned something that I meant to state: Documenting ancestry back more an a few hundred years is difficult in lots of countries, particularly if one's family was not wealthy or semi-important. Pretty much if you can document your family history, it means your ancestors were from a literate record keeping society and at least middle class or above. Or members of a church/religious group that relentlessly documented everything, which is a good indication the family was middle class or above. If your American ancestors were Quaker or Mennonite or another form of Anabaptist, they're documented, here.

But one set of great-grandparents were Irish, born there circa 1875. Two things make it very difficult to go back further. One- lots of people have the same names. Two- the English really didn't care whether of not Irish were properly documented, nor, apparently, did the Irish or the Church. Another set of great-grandparents born in England same time period. I can reliably trace them back to mid 1700's. And know that virtually the entire family was involved in brickmaking. Which is how I can surmise that other families with my surname, who also trace back to brickmaking families in Lancashire during the same time period are likely related to me. But the ancestor my tracing stops at had only one descendant come to the United States. Unless your Irish ancestors were pretty important people, tracing their ancestry back more then one generation into Ireland is near impossible.

Blogger Gospace March 17, 2017 10:53 PM  

Seems like a good place to mention the relative importance of people. In 2001, about 3000 people died in the worst terrorist attack yet on U.S. soil. According to figures I've read, the entire worlds GDP dropped 2%, and was affected for years. Lists of all the known dead are published. AFAIK, there are no unknowns. In 2004 the Indian Ocean tsunami killed, officially, over 180,000. 1.7 million people at least temporarily displaced. I've seen some unofficial estimates that put the death toll as high as 500,000. I think it's closer to that number then the official number. No one knows who those people were. Even the official numbers are estimates. They were born, lived, and died, and there's no record of most of them. They simply existed. Effect on the world's GDP- negligible. In addition to not being recorded anywhere, the people who perished apparently contributed nothing measurable of value to the rest of the world.

If everyone in Liechtenstein, population 36,000, were to drop dead overnight, the effect on the world and financial markets would be enormous. If everyone in Zimbabwe, population 14 million were to drop dead overnight, how long would it be before anyone noticed?

Anonymous Rex Leroy March 17, 2017 11:59 PM  

Pure American heritage is more common than we might think. Until recently I had thought my maternal grandmother was the product of recent German and Dutch immigrants. But no, her parents were from families long-established in WV. My maternal grandfather was a direct descendant of an Englishman who changed his surname during the Revolution, because his family took the Tory side. I am a direct descendant of a man who was there at the founding of Charleston, SC.

The ancients knew the importance of knowing your ancestry. You should, too.

Blogger Ian Miguel Martin March 18, 2017 12:29 AM  

I am a descendant of the founding stock of this nation, and of a British author whose name you would recognize and whose phrases you have used in everyday conversation. And when the balloon goes up? I--a rightist to the very core of my being--will likely end up fighting on the side of the r-selected hordes. Mom burns the coal, I pay the toll.

Blogger Matthew March 18, 2017 1:13 AM  

Miscegenation never ends well.

Blogger OGRE March 18, 2017 2:49 AM  

@141 Seems like a disproportionate number of folks here have WV ties.

My maternal grandmother was descended from Dr. John McCormick, an ulster-scott from Belfast who built the White House Farm in Jefferson county around 1742. His son James served with Washington at Fort Necessity and received a land grant in Cabell County for his service in the 1750s.

OpenID anonymos-coward March 18, 2017 3:48 AM  


Effect on the world's GDP- negligible. In addition to not being recorded anywhere, the people who perished apparently contributed nothing measurable of value to the rest of the world.


GDP is not a measure of wealth or value. GDP is simply the volume of nominal finances flowing through the finance system.

Simple example: if you and I exchange IOU's for $1 million, our collective GDP will rise by $2 million, even though no wealth was generated and nothing of value was created.

Blogger Duke Norfolk March 18, 2017 7:14 AM  

Gospace wrote:If everyone in Liechtenstein, population 36,000, were to drop dead overnight, the effect on the world and financial markets would be enormous. If everyone in Zimbabwe, population 14 million were to drop dead overnight, how long would it be before anyone noticed?

So brutally true.

Anonymous Loki7 March 18, 2017 2:05 PM  

@72. After my interactions with the Sioux and Chippawa in ND, I wonder if Vox asked what they thought of his desire to `spare them`. Otherwise he`s just another Cracker treating them like children.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper March 18, 2017 2:09 PM  

Luke @136

Fair point: re Abortion. I know its legal in Japan though I wasn't sure how prevalent it is or was. That even if it was made illegal in Japan , a lot of Japanese and increasingly Americans just aren't having much sex or are doing other things that don't lead to babies.

I won't speak for Japan but if the Religious Right and allies in the US get the abortion ban they want, policy-wise I suspect they will greatly regret it.

And as also said don't count on a collapse happening or if it does there being much of a recovery arc.

I concur that a bad enough scenario would lead naturally to patriarchy and more births , it will also lead to mass death and little population recovery . You could be back to the bad old days of 6 children born, two or less survive to adulthood

I'd rather see a more homogeneous stable society with a 1.8 TFR till it reaches a comfortable carrying social capacity. That is, we have enough work for those who ought to work or a stable social democracy

The way to get TFR up is to work the social structure to change society so people wnat more children and either jobs pay enough or people are willing to sacrifice more for them. At that point birth rates will go up . This as far as I know hasn't been done, societies pushing natalism are reacting to a short term issues and want immediate "more baby" results . Its a long game, change the social matrix to make babies default

The only way that works though is to stop immigration and reverse it

Hell the US could lose as much as 70% its population and as long as the US was White still be a world power.

We are that overcrowded

Lastly, bad economies often lead to smaller families. During the Great Depression the TFR was very low, the birth rate lowest till now and there as no birth control, it was a patriarchy , people were religious and the country was far more rural.

As noted, don't count on a collapse getting you the results you want. Quite often they do not.




Blogger VFM #7634 March 18, 2017 2:42 PM  

If everyone in Liechtenstein, population 36,000, were to drop dead overnight, the effect on the world and financial markets would be enormous. If everyone in Zimbabwe, population 14 million were to drop dead overnight, how long would it be before anyone noticed?

@140 Gospace
Heck, the UN is already bitching that people aren't noticing the 20 million desperately hungry people in Yemen, Somalia, South Sudan, and northeast Nigeria, and that aid agencies are only getting small fractions of the funding they're demanding.

I suspect it's seeping into the subconscious that feeding Africans and Muslims only ensures more of them. The "4 billion Africans by 2100" figure already is in fact.

Anonymous kfg March 18, 2017 7:41 PM  

http://www.census-charts.com/Population/images/pop-us-1790-2000-stacked.png

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 20, 2017 4:12 PM  

@Sam the Man
"Contrast that to Harry Truman, who almost broke after leaving the office in 1948, when offered a lucrative contract to endorse something said "The office of the presidency is not for sale"."

A touching story, but Truman allowed a certain tribe to buy his support for their desert country in return for cash for his 1948 campaign, even after the Stern gang sent him letter bombs. Hardly a model of integrity.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 20, 2017 4:48 PM  

@anonymous-coward
"GDP is not a measure of wealth or value"

A related anecdote, to add to your point:

Krugman and Bernanke are walking down the street and see a pile of dog shit. Bernanke says "I'll give you twenty thousand dollars if you eat that pile of shit." Krugman does it, gets paid, and keeps walking. After a while, they see another pile of shit on the road. Seeing an opportunity for revenge, Krugman says, "Tell you what; I'll give YOU twenty grand to eat that pile of shit." Bernanke does it, Krugman gives him back the money, and they keep walking.

After a while, Bernanke says "I'm feeling pretty sick. We both ate shit and neither one of us is any richer." Krugman answers "You're missing the bigger picture. We've increased GDP by $40,000 and created two jobs!"

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