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Monday, August 12, 2013

BUSTED, or, a minor margin of error

McRapey never stops stretching the facts in the interests of self-promotion.
John Scalzi ‏@scalzi
@gregpak I think if people like the content they will keep coming in regardless. I mean, my site gets 50K readers a day
I find this amusing because it is so perfectly in lack of character.  The fact is that John Scalzi's site doesn't get 50k readers a day.  It doesn't even get 50k pageviews per day.  McRapey is exaggerating his daily readers by a factor between 10 and 25.  This is mathematically obvious because last year he was celebrating 8 million Wordpress pageviews in 2012, which works out to 20,822 Google pageviews per day.  However, most sites run around 4 pageviews per reader, which means that, at most, McRapey's site averages 5,205 readers per day. And if the level of engagement is higher than average there, as is the case here, then the actual number of average daily readers could be as low as 2,000.

By doubling his actual pageviews and then swapping "reader" for "pageview", McRapey tries to make his site look considerably more popular and influential than it is. This sort of bait-and-switch is typical for the Left and it isn't new for McRapey.  I recall that the very first time he came to my attention, he was bragging about his vast knowledge of science fiction based, in part, on "Four science fiction novels sold" at a time when he only had one "conventionally published". I correctly had him pegged for a bullshit artist from the very start.

If I were to exaggerate on a similar scale, I could claim 75k readers a day for my sites.  But I don't.  Because there aren't.


UPDATE: It turns out this isn't the first time McRapey has lied about his blog traffic.  In this 2012 tweet, he even makes it clear that his 50k claim refers only to average daily blog readers, not pageviews or one-time maximums, and it is a claim that happens to be completely, utterly, and provably false.
John Scalzi @scalzi 6:20 AM - 4 Dec 12
Hey, authors of non-traditionally published books! Promote your book to my 50K daily blog readers TODAY: http://bit.ly/TzNsdl
I invite McRapey to come clean about his ludicrous exaggerations and do what I and many other honest bloggers do.  Just put up a link that allows your readers to see exactly what your real daily readers are and stop blatantly lying about how many of them there are.

UPDATE II: McRapey wrote: "Bear in mind that I don’t generally lie for the sake of lying. That’s really stupid, and I’m not that good of a liar. Most things aren’t worth lying about, and as a rule I do try to live my life in a manner so that lying isn’t something I have to do a lot of."

One has to admire the calculated preparatory spin.  McRapey doesn't lie for the sake of lying, he lies whenever he thinks it suits his interests and he can get away with it. Scalzi lies frequently and he lies shamelessly.  He often lies about very stupid things. The man is a gifted self-promoter, and one of the things that makes him so good at self-promotion is his complete lack of honesty or integrity.

And that is probably what lies at the heart of our contempt for each other.

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113 Comments:

Anonymous David of One August 11, 2013 1:09 PM  

Maybe for self-promoting male feminists ... math is hard.

To keep up "appearances" this would be consistent with the role.

Blogger Hen August 11, 2013 1:22 PM  

Math is a bitch.

Anonymous Harsh August 11, 2013 1:29 PM  

Math is a fascist tool of the Patriarchy. Or something...

Anonymous GreyS August 11, 2013 1:34 PM  

Easy prediction:

He will not respond to any questioning about that stat, won't talk about that subject for a while, and tweet a lot to push that particular comment down and away. He won't delete it because he knows it's already out there.

Blogger Crowhill August 11, 2013 1:39 PM  

I'm sure the stats are phony, however ...

>most sites run around 4 pageviews per reader ...

That doesn't always apply to blogs, since some blogs put all the recent content on a single page so there's no need to click to another page.

Blogger Cinco August 11, 2013 1:53 PM  

Man who wears a dress pads his stats, and his bra... In other news.

Anonymous Rex Little August 11, 2013 2:02 PM  

Just because he averaged 21k pageviews per day in 2012 doesn't mean he couldn't be up to 50k, or even more, now. I'd expect his site to gain viewers over time, since he's good at self-promotion and there are a lot of rabbits out there.

Anonymous jm August 11, 2013 2:03 PM  

I suppose one could say this isn't very off brand for him.

Anonymous VD August 11, 2013 2:16 PM  

Just because he averaged 21k pageviews per day in 2012 doesn't mean he couldn't be up to 50k, or even more, now.

(laughs) Or eleventy bazillion? His Wordpress pageviews won't even reach 9 million this year. You're forgetting that he required that Single White Male post just to reach 8 million and he hasn't had a similar post since.

He will not respond to any questioning about that stat, won't talk about that subject for a while, and tweet a lot to push that particular comment down and away.

What I think will be funny is if he refuses to release end-of-year statistics for the first time in years. Actually, if he ever addresses it, the spin will be that he got that many readers or pageviews once. He used to describe it as "up to X readers". So, that could also be another switcheroo.

Interesting how many lefties play that game. Dawkins loves it.

Anonymous DonReynolds August 11, 2013 2:17 PM  

I was reminded recently about the importance of popularity. I saw a poster that said.....Eat Shit....10,000 Flies Cannot Be Wrong!

This kinda expresses my contempt for democracy and, certainly, the tyranny of the majority. Yes, 10,000 flies CAN be wrong....just as 10 million New Yorkers can be wrong too. Do that think because something is popular, it MUST be a good idea.

Blogger beerme August 11, 2013 2:31 PM  

Math is the tool used by the white patriarchy to keep down our diverse brothers and sisters. Down with math!

Anonymous VD August 11, 2013 2:42 PM  

That doesn't always apply to blogs, since some blogs put all the recent content on a single page so there's no need to click to another page.

It applies in this case.

Anonymous kh123 August 11, 2013 2:44 PM  

Maths. The Great White Patriarchal Conspiracy only deals with concepts if they can pluralize. You know, to keep that many more womens and day laborers under our calculating thumbs.

Blogger GF Dad August 11, 2013 2:47 PM  

How does this tendency to self aggrandize tie into gamma-ness? Is it just a way to say he is the top rabbit so he knows he is better than what he thinks about himself?

Anonymous DT August 11, 2013 3:04 PM  

The left doesn't always cook and exaggerate numbers Vox. Consider for example the unemployment rate or the cost estimates for Obamacare.

Oh...wait.

Anonymous VD August 11, 2013 3:05 PM  

How does this tendency to self aggrandize tie into gamma-ness?

Gammas are great rationalizers. They seldom tell outrageous lies, but usually engage in serial exaggeration that increases as they get away with it. Everything the gamma does, especially with regards to women, is to try to improve the way he looks to them, but it's usually based in reality.

There was a great Kathy cartoon about this a long time ago. A guy asks how she likes his Armani suit, only it's not an Armani, it's one that looks just like one. Then he asks how she likes his Porsche, only it's that model of RX-7 that looked a lot like a 944 Turbo.

The Alpha, on the other hand, either expects the woman to think he's great - "hey, I get full benefits just for cleaning the toilets, how awesome is that?" - or he lies outrageously. "Yeah, I'm a test pilot and I have a very dangerous flight test tomorrow."

Blogger buzzardist August 11, 2013 3:24 PM  

Maybe for self-promoting male feminists ... math is hard.

Wouldn't that be a sexist stereotype to say that male feminists aren't good at math?

Anonymous DonReynolds August 11, 2013 4:27 PM  

DT...."The left doesn't always cook and exaggerate numbers Vox. Consider for example the unemployment rate or the cost estimates for Obamacare."

Figures don't lie, but liars figure.

Blogger wrf3 August 11, 2013 5:16 PM  

Maybe Scalzi paid a 'bot owner to use a network of many thousands of compromised computers to generate page hits to his site. After all, he didn't say the readers were human. Did he?

Anonymous T14 August 11, 2013 7:32 PM  

Even if accurate, an incredibly declasse comment on his part. True greatness need never promote.

Anonymous Ferd August 11, 2013 7:47 PM  

As Daffy would say,,,"The man (?) is despicable!"

Blogger Bogey August 11, 2013 8:45 PM  

You're forgetting that he required that Single White Male post just to reach 8 million and he hasn't had a similar post since.

He's about due for another post like the one you mentioned, and by now we know that nothing is beyond McRapey in his single minded drive for self-promotion. Perhaps a post where he derides all males, but especially white males for being sexist.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza August 11, 2013 8:45 PM  

I am thoroughly entertained, these updates are great.

Anonymous Vidad August 11, 2013 10:22 PM  

Today's takeaway: Vox reads Kathy.

Anonymous wcu August 11, 2013 10:39 PM  

If he read " the far side" too, he has gone up 13 energon points in my book.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 11, 2013 11:18 PM  

Perhaps McRapey should strut his stuff in Jamaica

Anonymous Rex Little August 12, 2013 12:53 AM  

True greatness need never promote.

You can't blame Scalzi for promoting; the guy's trying to sell books. (Sure, so is Vox, but for him it's a sideline, not his livelihood.)

Anonymous VD August 12, 2013 1:59 AM  

You can't blame Scalzi for promoting; the guy's trying to sell books.

I don't blame Scalzi for his self-promoting, I blame him for his lack of honesty.

Anonymous dh August 12, 2013 11:42 AM  

You can't blame Scalzi for promoting; the guy's trying to sell books. (Sure, so is Vox, but for him it's a sideline, not his livelihood.)

Why can't you blame him? Lying is shady.

Anonymous Daniel August 12, 2013 11:45 AM  

Speaking of eldritch math, science friction, and nerd shenanigans, has there been any peep from the SFWA since it jackhammered itself right in the ol' male member? Even file 770 doesn't have anything current.

Blogger yttik August 12, 2013 11:56 AM  

Perhaps McRapey, Hugo, have another purpose, too? Perhaps they are like woman-kryptonite or something? They seem to be repelling a lot of mad women today and flinging them about the blogosphere like coffee cups at people's heads?

Anonymous VD August 12, 2013 11:57 AM  

Speaking of eldritch math, science friction, and nerd shenanigans, has there been any peep from the SFWA since it jackhammered itself right in the ol' male member?

No, I assume they're trying to figure out how they can justify expelling me for doing what I've proved several dozen members had previously done, and did considerably more often.

Anonymous Josh August 12, 2013 11:59 AM  

If he's ever questioned about this, he's going to say that the 50k daily readers is a reference to his twitter followers, not his blog.

Anonymous Daniel August 12, 2013 12:38 PM  

No, I assume they're trying to figure out how they can justify expelling me for doing what I've proved several dozen members had previously done, and did considerably more often.

What is more fascinating is that the alleged public outcry for something to be done "RIGHT NOW RIGHT NOW" fell into dead silence. I don't even hear the former anti-racists poking about for resolution.

The board's justification could be a fun drinking game:

Obfuscating adverbs such as
"deeply felt"
"traditionally held"
"socially conscious"

...take a drink.

Reference to "21st Century, modern times, or 'this day and age.'"
...chug.

W.C. Fields would hit the floor before he got to the bottom of page 1. Kingsley Amis shortly thereafter.

I'll be stunned if they come up with a justification that even pretends to be rational. I'm guessing it is going to be more along the lines of:

"It just got to a point where things weren't working out. In the best interests of all parties, the board determined to dissolve the membership of one, in hopes of strengthening the bonds of the many who remain."

Of course, they won't realize they cribbed the intended emotional script from Wrath of Khan until someone points it out.

Anonymous Daniel August 12, 2013 12:41 PM  

The best part, for me, is that they are being so slow and methodical about resolving their panic attack. I've thought it was just a mad liar's party, but now I think it might just be a Tourette's spelling bee.

Blogger Crowhill August 12, 2013 12:42 PM  

For what it's worth, if you're talking about http://whatever.scalzi.com/, Alexa says he gets 1.26 page views / visit.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/scalzi.com#trafficstats

But Vox is right, if he wants to promote access to X visitors, he should provide stats to prove it.

Anonymous VD August 12, 2013 12:54 PM  

For what it's worth, if you're talking about http://whatever.scalzi.com/, Alexa says he gets 1.26 page views / visit.

Alexa massively underestimates that ratio. Mine says 1.79 pageviews/visit when 10 would be much more accurate.

Anonymous A. Nonymous August 12, 2013 1:04 PM  

Vox; you should just tell John you love him.  You never know what will happen and you’ll hate yourself if you don’t at least try. 

OpenID newrebeluniv August 12, 2013 1:19 PM  

I get a hundred pages views a day (if I write something that day) and sometimes 10 whole comments. You don't see me bragging about it.

--Hale

Anonymous VD August 12, 2013 1:22 PM  

Vox; you should just tell John you love him.

(laughs) While I appreciate your spin on his mancrush theme, you really don't understand the psychosocial relationship here at all. Do you think Harry Markopolos was obsessed with Bernie Madoff?

There are certain personalities who simply cannot stand frauds, especially not when the frauds have waved their self-serving lies in one's face. And I was suspicious that McRapey was a fraud since 2008, although I wasn't certain until last year. And I couldn't prove it until recently.

Anonymous Anonagain August 12, 2013 1:27 PM  

OT - an interesting link on The Blaze to a simple left brain vs right brain test.

I see her spinning in clockwise, which is surprising but understandable considering the last few years. I was finally able to make her spin counterclockwise by scrolling up to where only the shadow was visible.

Anonymous Anonagain August 12, 2013 1:31 PM  

Actually, this is the linked article. The ole right brain is retarded...

Anonymous GreyS August 12, 2013 1:32 PM  

Do you lie?

"Yes of course"

Do you lie often?

"define “often” "

Do you regret lying?

"no, not usually"

"As a general rule I don’t recommend lying, since it often complicates life and hurts people and makes one look like an ass."

Anonymous A. Nonymous August 12, 2013 1:35 PM  

You, sir, are no Harry Markopolos.  And this is not that.

Anonymous Annalitic August 12, 2013 1:37 PM  

"You, sir, are no Harry Markopolos"

Thank God.

Anonymous xyz August 12, 2013 1:37 PM  

John Scalzi, best selling author
vs.
Vox Day, wanna-be kindle boy

John Scalzi, former SFWA president
vs.
Vox Day, soon-to-be disgraced ex-SFWA member...

Anonymous Annalitic August 12, 2013 1:39 PM  

Aww, the butt-hurt McRapey fans showing up to defend the coward.

Cute.

Anonymous VD August 12, 2013 1:40 PM  

John Scalzi, best selling author
vs.
Vox Day, wanna-be kindle boy


That may be. But don't forget:

John Scalzi, proven liar
vs.
Vox Day, exposer of frauds

I'll take fewer book sales and a reputation for telling the truth over being a bestselling liar.

Blogger JCclimber August 12, 2013 1:40 PM  

Does a semi-repost count in the McRapey totals for charitable contributions?

Vox, I'm hoping you marked the date on your calendar so that you can provide a Put Up or Shut Up post whether all the tools over there actually follow through with their money pledges.

I'm betting they considerably under contribute. I'd be willing to give $1000 to a charity of my choice if they actually exceed their publicized pledge amount.

Blogger JCclimber August 12, 2013 1:44 PM  

If we REALLY want to get down to basics, I think most readers of both blogs would agree to this comparison:

Vox's wife is much preferred over Scalzi's wife. On pretty much every metric that matters.

Enough said.

Blogger JCclimber August 12, 2013 1:46 PM  

Ah, here is how it works: Scalzi's blog readers are actually 6-8 people looking over the shoulder of each blog visitor. Because you know, group solidarity and they are known to have large family groups.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben August 12, 2013 1:46 PM  

Fake it till you make it.

Anonymous Krul August 12, 2013 1:54 PM  

Re: GreyS

From the link:
Scalzi -
1. If I’ve been asked to keep something in confidence and you ask me about it, I will lie to you.

2. If you ask me a personal question and I don’t feel that I know you and/or trust you and/or like you and/or your discretion is not reliable and/or any other particular reason that disinclines me to answer the question truthfully, I will lie to you.

3. If I know something I don’t think it’s useful for you to know, and you ask me about it, I will lie to you.

4. If you knowing something will make you and/or me deeply unhappy for what I consider not worthwhile reasons, and you ask me about it, I will lie to you.


These examples suggest a reluctance to simply refuse to divulge information. Saying "Sorry, but I can't tell you that" would be a perfecty acceptable and honest response in all of these situations, but Scalzi says he will lie anyway.

It sounds like he woud rather make up excuses than deal with confrontation.

Blogger Crowhill August 12, 2013 1:56 PM  

VD > Alexa massively underestimates that ratio.

I checked Alexa vs. Google Analytics on two low-volume sites and they were close. Then I checked it against a high-volume site and it was way off (very low).

Bottom line is the Alexa number is not reliable.

Anonymous Anonagain August 12, 2013 2:00 PM  

If leftists couldn't lie, they wouldn't be leftists. The more prominent and successful the leftist, the bigger and better of a liar he is.

Anonymous Pip August 12, 2013 2:07 PM  

"Today's takeaway: Vox reads Kathy."

Ack!

(Still lurvs her some Vox over childfree-hating JS)

Anonymous Annalitic August 12, 2013 2:08 PM  

No post for the recent Duran Duran Appreciation Day ?

Anonymous VD August 12, 2013 2:10 PM  

You, sir, are no Harry Markopolos. And this is not that.

That is true. And that is also true. But it is not true that I am obsessed with McRapey in any way. I find him repugnant in precisely the same manner that I find Goldman Bankers and politicians to be disgusting, and it astonishes me that anyone in the SF/F world believes a single word he says, much less takes his opinion seriously. Remember, this is someone who often strikes a very judgmental moral posture despite being a frequent liar.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 August 12, 2013 2:11 PM  

No, I assume they're trying to figure out how they can justify expelling me for doing what I've proved several dozen members had previously done, and did considerably more often

Oh, we've all read Catch 22 even if we haven't.
They'll assign someone already named Major Major to the rank of Major, and call it a day.
And by that I mean, when considering a group of people who see racism in the existence of inanimate objects, the concept of "seeking justification" is cute but a fair bit beyond their depth.
They will offer no justification, and use an awful lot of words to tell you this.
I'd hate to be the poor Kinko's employee who has to make copies of the Final Report, in triplicate, at 3 a.m. because one of the Wunderkind's laments the racism inherent in her printer running out of black ink.

Anonymous VD August 12, 2013 2:14 PM  

"Today's takeaway: Vox reads Kathy."

I actually had that cartoon strip up in my office; I was driving a 944 Turbo and my two favorite suits were Mani. (Mani was the less expensive Armani brand at the time; still have one of them.)

Anonymous Anonagain August 12, 2013 2:16 PM  

That Hugh freak came out of the leftist batshit lunatic closet. He is no different than every other leftist. They are all either psychos, villains or both. They have absolutely no redeeming qualities.

Blogger GF Dad August 12, 2013 2:20 PM  

Back on this left-brain / right-brain thing: Which side is Vox and which side controls Scalzi?

Anonymous Feh August 12, 2013 2:32 PM  

It sounds like he woud rather make up excuses than deal with confrontation.

Almost like he's a big giant gamma pussy who thinks he'll get his ass beat if he tells people the truth or even says "MYOB"!

Anonymous Daniel August 12, 2013 2:43 PM  

"Bear in mind that I don’t generally lie for the sake of lying. That’s really stupid, and I’m not that good of a liar. Most things aren’t worth lying about, and as a rule I do try to live my life in a manner so that lying isn’t something I have to do a lot of."

If this were spoken by villain in a book, the character would seem one-dimensional and stereotypically evil.

It does make me wonder what his daily public lie quota might be, and how, exactly he lives his life in such a manner so that he doesn't exceed it.

Anonymous Harsh August 12, 2013 2:47 PM  

John Scalzi, best selling author
vs.
Vox Day, wanna-be kindle boy

John Scalzi, former SFWA president
vs.
Vox Day, soon-to-be disgraced ex-SFWA member...


Are you trying to say that Vox is wrong and Scalzi isn't lying about his number of readers?

Blogger wrf3 August 12, 2013 2:49 PM  

"Scalzi vs. Vox"

Anonymous Josh August 12, 2013 2:51 PM  

It sounds like he woud rather make up excuses than deal with confrontation.

Both women and gammas tend to do this.

Blogger JartStar August 12, 2013 3:07 PM  

The temptation to be dishonest if one is an atheist or agnostic must be overwhelming at times, particularly if there's little chance of one being caught.

Anonymous Feh August 12, 2013 3:18 PM  

Vox Day, soon-to-be disgraced ex-SFWA member...

Being thrown out of a disgraceful organization is no disgrace.

Anonymous Peter Garstig August 12, 2013 3:30 PM  

I’m not that good of a liar.

That's always a red flag for a natural born liar to me.

Anonymous Daniel August 12, 2013 3:31 PM  

Jim C. Hines ‏@jimchines 11 Aug
I'm coming to believe that website moderation is more of an art than a science. #WhackATroll

John Scalzi ‏@scalzi 11 Aug
@jimchines Feel the mallet. BE the mallet.

Jim C. Hines ‏@jimchines 11 Aug
@scalzi I like you John, but I'm not comfortable feeling your mallet.

John Scalzi ‏@scalzi 11 Aug
@jimchines That's not what you told me that one magic night, Jim.


+++

Don't worry, everyone. I'm sure this is one of those instances where McRapey just had to lie.

Anonymous dh August 12, 2013 3:33 PM  

The temptation to be dishonest if one is an atheist or agnostic must be overwhelming at times, particularly if there's little chance of one being caught.

It is. It can be very powerful. And there isn't all that much chance to be caught in most cases. Most social or day-to-day lies are very unlikely to be exposed.

Anonymous Krul August 12, 2013 3:44 PM  

dh - It can be very powerful. And there isn't all that much chance to be caught in most cases. Most social or day-to-day lies are very unlikely to be exposed.

dh, what do you think of Ayn Rand's basis for the virtue of honesty?

In short, Rand states that a man who lies to others essentially makes himself their slave because he is forced to fake reality for them from then on. A man of pride, she says, would not stoop to appease the stupidity of others no matter the stakes or the liklihood of getting "caught".

Anonymous dh August 12, 2013 3:47 PM  

Krul-- I think that stupid people are happy to be slaves.

Anonymous Krul August 12, 2013 3:51 PM  

Re: dh

No doubt, but do you find it a convincing reason to consistently practice the virtue of honesty?

Blogger Phoenician August 12, 2013 3:52 PM  

That is true. And that is also true. But it is not true that I am obsessed with McRapey in any way.

Bwahahahahah.

Even the very nickname for him you so cling to screams a desperate need for attention from someone better than you. You're like a friggin' two year old screaming someone is a "poopy-head" in the hopes you get noticed.

Dipshit.

Anonymous GreyS August 12, 2013 3:57 PM  

"Even the very nickname for him you so cling to screams a desperate need for attention from someone better than you. You're like a friggin' two year old screaming someone is a "poopy-head" in the hopes you get noticed.

Dipshit."


Talk about projection! Dude, print your post out backwards and then walk into the bathroom and hold it up to the mirror right under your face.

Anonymous Anonagain August 12, 2013 3:58 PM  

Vox, I thought you had eradicated this particular strain of E. coli from your blog?

Anonymous Krul August 12, 2013 3:58 PM  

Phoenician - You're like a friggin' two year old screaming someone is a "poopy-head" in the hopes you get noticed.

Dipshit.


Beautiful.

Anonymous dh August 12, 2013 3:58 PM  

No doubt, but do you find it a convincing reason to consistently practice the virtue of honesty?

No. There is very little reason to practice honesty, and nothing that is internally consistent.

Anonymous Alexander August 12, 2013 3:58 PM  

Wow, that's a new level of lacking self-awareness even for Phoenician.

1. Attack someone by claiming their arguments boil down to a child screaming fecal-related insults.

2. Sign off with 'dipshit'.

Anonymous Ann Morgan August 12, 2013 4:00 PM  

DonReynolds wrote: **Yes, 10,000 flies CAN be wrong....just as 10 million New Yorkers can be wrong too. Do that think because something is popular, it MUST be a good idea.**

Ancient Chinese Proverb: If 50 million people believe a foolish thing... it is still a foolish thing.

Anonymous Krul August 12, 2013 4:08 PM  

dh - There is very little reason to practice honesty, and nothing that is internally consistent.

I'm surpised. I think that it is a convincing reason to be honest. Moreover I don't see how it is internally inconsistent. Perhaps you could shed some light on that?

Anonymous VD August 12, 2013 4:10 PM  

Even the very nickname for him you so cling to screams a desperate need for attention from someone better than you.

Then you don't know me very well. I have nicknames for everyone, whether I like them or not. I think it is very amusing that you think I believe McRapey is better than I am at anything important. Besides selling SF books, winning SFWA elections, and self-promotion, precisely what is he better at than I am? We've certainly established that integrity, character, and honesty are out.

How can you possibly look at ATOB versus any of his books and think we're even playing in the same sport, let alone league? I give zero thought to his market. It's just not what interests me. You might as reasonably compare my books to the Puppinette's or whoever has replaced Danielle Steele.

There are people I admire. There are people I envy. McRapey simply isn't one of them.

Anonymous VD August 12, 2013 4:15 PM  

Vox, I thought you had eradicated this particular strain of E. coli from your blog?

Sometimes it serves a usefully illustrative example. I was also curious if the fact of Scalzi's shameless lying would even slow down our friendly librarian or if he'd just go right to the pop psychology and namecalling.

And now we know.

It should be fascinating to see how he reacts when Scalzi has his own Hugo Danger-style meltdown.

Blogger yttik August 12, 2013 4:16 PM  

"Vox's wife is much preferred over Scalzi's wife. On pretty much every metric that matters."

JcClimber speaks the truth here. McRapey is always going to need to show up bringing a lot of gifts, money, agreeable politics, ass kissing, to compensate for the ick factor his wife feels on some level of consciousness.

It's not the money or the fame that has young girls wearing Duck Dynasty shirts, it's the men out comically embracing their manhood that catches a girl's interest.

My husband had a truck when I met him and that's about it.

Anonymous A. Nonymous August 12, 2013 4:21 PM  

How can you possibly look at ATOB versus any of his books and think we're even playing in the same sport, let alone league?
 
I know integrity and honesty is important to you, but what about when you lie to yourself?

Anonymous Daniel August 12, 2013 4:30 PM  

A. can you name something specific that ATOB shares with anything McRapey has ever written?

Anonymous VD August 12, 2013 4:33 PM  

I know integrity and honesty is important to you, but what about when you lie to yourself?

About what? I don't have any illusions about ATOB being great literature. I'd no sooner compare it to Scalzi's derivative SF novels than a Maupassant short story or an Asimov prelude novel. I wouldn't compare it in a qualitative sense because I wrote the one and I haven't read most of the others.

Anonymous Josh August 12, 2013 4:34 PM  

Does ATOB have any squee?

Anonymous Daniel August 12, 2013 4:49 PM  

Does ATOB have any squee?

Sort of. That annoying weird laughing noise elves make when their colleagues get squished by dragons might qualify.

They are pale and socially awkward enough: the only thing the elves lack to pull off the full effect is a high-carb diet and a massive dose of needful insecurity.

Anonymous Harsh August 12, 2013 4:50 PM  

Phoenician's obsession with VD is rather interesting. Most people would have figured out long ago that VD simply doesn't care about his opinion and quit, but for some reason he keeps coming back and spewing the same simplistic arguments over and over. Even the "dipshit" thing has become laughable to the point where you can't even call it a grade school insult. It's like a toddler saying "poo poo" over and over and giggling at himself.

Blogger Akulkis August 12, 2013 4:57 PM  

"One has to admire the calculated preparatory spin. McRapey doesn't lie for the sake of lying, he lies whenever he thinks it suits his interests and he can get away with it. Scalzi lies frequently and he lies shamelessly. He often lies about very stupid things. The man is a gifted self-promoter, and one of the things that makes him so good at self-promotion is his complete lack of honesty or integrity."

More classic indicators of his Borderline Personality Disorder.

Anonymous VD August 12, 2013 4:57 PM  

Phoenician's obsession with VD is rather interesting.

I don't think he's obsessed with me. His behavior is more consistent with someone trying to score points with someone else. It could also be that he simply can't fathom someone who doesn't care about insults; he wasn't around during my WND days so he may not be aware that I'm quite accustomed to taking considerably more vituperative abuse.

Especially playing soccer over here. By the end of some games, my Dutch friend and I are about the only two players on the field not shouting at somebody. Sometimes, we just stand there next to each other in disbelief and laugh at everybody else on both teams. It's crazy.

Blogger Akulkis August 12, 2013 5:20 PM  

@Phony Phoenician

>> "Dipshit."

Even the very nickname for him you so cling to screams a desperate need for attention from someone better than you. You're like a friggin' two year old screaming someone is a "poopy-head" in the hopes you get noticed.

Bwahahahahah.




It seems to apply to you, reflexively.

Anonymous GreyS August 12, 2013 5:37 PM  

"It could also be that he simply can't fathom someone who doesn't care about insults"

I grew up with black guys and it was an everyday thing to insult and creatively demean each other. I'm the type of person who is hard to bother with insults anyway, but after growing up like that I only react in a "rate the creativity" way, which my would-be-insulters cannot fathom.

The funny thing is, most people who throw insults a lot often have a much worse give/take ratio than the average person, let alone someone such as VD. You get a guy like Phony in person, and in all likelihood he couldn't handle two minutes of back-and-forth.

Anonymous bob k. mando August 12, 2013 7:16 PM  

dh August 12, 2013 3:33 PM
It is. It can be very powerful. And there isn't all that much chance to be caught in most cases. Most social or day-to-day lies are very unlikely to be exposed.




see, now you're just trying to bait Taylor into calling you a liar again.



Krul August 12, 2013 3:51 PM
No doubt, but do you find it a convincing reason to consistently practice the virtue of honesty?

dh August 12, 2013 3:58 PM
No. There is very little reason to practice honesty, and nothing that is internally consistent.



*facepalm*

so, you've just told us that in all of your debating here, you will tell us ANYTHING you think you can get away with. whether or not you personally believe it too be true is pretty much irrelevant with respect to whether or not YOU WANT TO BELIEVE something.

that's actually quite elegant; there is no longer any point in Taylor accusing you of lying, you've issued a blanket indictment for yourself.

i also like the unbounded absolute.

i wonder if Stickwick has any physics principles she'd like to discuss with you?

Blogger Bogey August 12, 2013 8:32 PM  

I've been looking for the Vox's link on his own traffic and I can't seem to find. Anyone care to direct me to it?

Blogger IM2L844 August 12, 2013 9:03 PM  

Sure, Bogey. Just go to the top left of the page and click on sitemeter.

Anonymous Anonagain August 12, 2013 9:11 PM  

I've been looking for the Vox's link on his own traffic and I can't seem to find. Anyone care to direct me to it?

If you're running a tracker blocking app like Ghostery that's blocking Sitemeter, you won't see it, otherwise the Sitemeter icon is right below the Blog Archives pulldown.

Blogger RobertT August 12, 2013 9:17 PM  

"Even the very nickname for him you so cling to screams a desperate need for attention from someone better than you."

Someone must be feeling a little jealous of VD.

Anonymous MendoScot August 12, 2013 9:20 PM  

Sometimes, we just stand there next to each other in disbelief and laugh at everybody else on both teams. It's crazy.

And then it gets crazy. I got three cracked ribs in a Father's Friendly at school, last time. Of course the Argies are a mix, but the guy who did it used to play for Boca.

Blogger RobertT August 12, 2013 9:22 PM  

"Remember, this is someone..."

I saw a quote recently about how some people are so stupid they simply can't be taught. I wish I could remember it. It would work well right about here.

Blogger RobertT August 12, 2013 9:26 PM  

From the link:
Scalzi -

Ah yes. I recognize the examples. The progressive mantra. It's ok to lie if you're just trying to make our lives better for us. Thanks anyway, I prefer to do my own thinking.

Blogger yttik August 12, 2013 9:58 PM  

"Most social or day-to-day lies are very unlikely to be exposed."

I have a spidey sense about lies and they usually alert me to the fact that something is going on behind the scenes. I even hate polite lies in social situations. Don't tell me I look good to try and make me feel better. I'll feel better if you just say, "good grief, you look like crap. What's up?" That's validating, that's instantly comforting. People who spend the whole evening lying to me make me nervous.

Anonymous bob k. mando August 12, 2013 11:44 PM  

hey-yah, kitty. you're lookin mighty fine this evenin!

Blogger Bogey August 13, 2013 1:57 AM  

"Sure, Bogey. Just go to the top left of the page and click on sitemeter."

Oops, duh, thanks.

Anonymous GreyS August 13, 2013 4:59 PM  

Does anyone know if Scalzi charges for promotion of books on his site? I know he does a lot of posts on other's books. If so, that might be the reason he is pumping up his numbers.

Blogger tz August 13, 2013 8:28 PM  

Math is a bitch - but one ought to leave sleeping dogs to lie, even when they are female.

Blogger tz August 13, 2013 8:30 PM  

"A man who lies with a man..."

McRapey might simply be a compulsive, pathological liar. Hence the pathos to his (lack of) logic.

Blogger tz August 13, 2013 8:40 PM  

It is easy to be best selling, start by selling your soul, and the rest will follow. The other method might be "penny for your thoughts" - those plated zinc slugs, not actual copper which would be valuable. Morality is often debased along with the currency.

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